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Old May 8 2014, 09:43 PM   #406
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If it works on cable (which it doesn't really work, AMC is just cheap) then why wouldn't it work on Fox?
There's a greater imperative to fill as many air dates as possible with first-run programming on the broadcast networks.
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Old May 9 2014, 01:37 PM   #407
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I think Fox will probably do a Breaking Bad / Mad Men and have a 16 episode season and break it into two seasons.
I doubt it. That arrangement works on cable, but it would be problematic on a broadcast network.

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Apparently Black Sails' season is only 8 episodes long. Frustrating.
Eight to ten episodes is now the standard length for a season on premium cable.
I was hoping for ten. The end of ep 8 just didn't feel like a season-ending cliffhanger (even though there were literally people stand on a cliff! )
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Old May 9 2014, 02:37 PM   #408
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Sigh...anyone remember the days of 26 episode seasons? And they would be occasionally be cut down to maybe ==>GASP<== 20, due to some writers' or actors' strike or some such thing? And now we treat a 13 episode season as a gift and 10 episodes the norm.

How times have changed...
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Old May 9 2014, 03:16 PM   #409
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And a lot of TV creators are glad to have shorter seasons, and so are a lot of viewers. 26-episode seasons had a lot of padding, a lot of weak or pointless episodes that were just there to meet a quota. Producers had to rush to get something on the air to fill the slots, and thus often had to settle for shooting scripts that didn't work. A 26-episode season might not have had much more than 13 episodes that were really worthwhile. Shorter seasons allow more time to refine the ideas and to focus on the best ones.

And no, the norm is not 10 episodes, except on a lot of cable shows. Network shows still tend to have a minimum of 13 episodes per season, usually 22 or more.
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Old May 9 2014, 03:24 PM   #410
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I know I don't miss clip shows and bottle episodes.
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Old May 9 2014, 04:42 PM   #411
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Oh, bottle episodes can be terrific, because they force the writers to focus on character rather than action or spectacle. Some of the finest episodes of the modern Star Trek series, like TNG's "The Drumhead" or DS9's "Duet," were bottle shows.
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Old May 9 2014, 07:03 PM   #412
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Yeah, on shows that already rely primarily on shooting sets there's not much difference. I'm talking shows that contrive ways to lock characters into a room for an entire episode.
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Old May 9 2014, 07:29 PM   #413
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I'm talking shows that contrive ways to lock characters into a room for an entire episode.
Which doesn't affect my point -- there's no reason that can't be a good episode. Two people with conflicting goals talking to each other in an empty room can be more exciting and intense than all the car chases and fistfights in the world.
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Old May 9 2014, 07:42 PM   #414
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You're right. You're absolutely fucking right. There is no reason they can't be good. Unfortunately in my experience most of them aren't.
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If it works on cable (which it doesn't really work, AMC is just cheap) then why wouldn't it work on Fox?
There's a greater imperative to fill as many air dates as possible with first-run programming on the broadcast networks.
The show was always planned to be a 13 episode season for the show. It became a hit and Fox wants a few more, but not too many more that it wrecks the feel of the show.

So I don't get your point. They are having more episodes, more first run programing. Just like this year Fox will have a different show fill in the blanks.
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Old May 9 2014, 08:47 PM   #416
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The show was always planned to be a 13 episode season for the show. It became a hit and Fox wants a few more, but not too many more that it wrecks the feel of the show.

So I don't get your point. They are having more episodes, more first run programing. Just like this year Fox will have a different show fill in the blanks.
Yes, I know it was always planned to have 13 episodes and that they're expanding the season. My point is that they probably won't split it into two eight-episode seasons in the style of some cable shows, but will instead air the longer season almost continuously, as Kevin Reilly has indicated, and then bring in another show to take the timeslot in mid-season. That way they maximize first-run programming throughout the season. Maybe you meant they'd air two eight-episode blocks close together, but it came across as if you were saying you thought they'd air them further apart as is the case with some cable shows. That's what I was disagreeing with.
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Old May 9 2014, 09:26 PM   #417
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I mean they would 8 episodes in Sept-December time frame, take a break off for wither, then come back in March and do 8 more until the finale in May.

Kind of like what ABC is doing with Once Upon a Time and Sandal.
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I don't think they'll stretch the episodes out that much. Reilly has said they plan to air them almost continuously. I think they'll stick to that plan, with a 13-episode mid-season show taking over the timeslot when all of the second season has aired. Here's what Reilly said to Vulture:

I’m going to make somewhere between about 15 or more, maybe a maximum of 18 next year. Those will air all in a row. There will be no preemptions [except maybe] one over the World Series or a holiday.
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Old May 9 2014, 10:01 PM   #419
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I think Fox will probably do a Breaking Bad / Mad Men and have a 16 episode season and break it into two seasons.
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Old May 9 2014, 10:12 PM   #420
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I'm glad they got more episodes, but that they aren't trying to drag it out to 22 or 24 episode. It seems to me that for a show this heavily serialized, shorter season work better. It helps to keep things fast paced, and not dragged out. I do like they way that Once Upon a Time set up their season. It was a full season, but they basically spit it into two min-seasons. I'm glad they did, because I honestly don't know if I could have taken 22 episodes of Neverland and Peter Pan.
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