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View Poll Results: Rate Dark Mirror.
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Old May 6 2014, 07:35 PM   #91
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Re: TNG: Dark Mirror by Diane Duane Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Wasn't Dark Mirror published a year after DS9 began?
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Old May 6 2014, 10:56 PM   #92
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Wasn't Dark Mirror published a year after DS9 began?
You are correct, but the hardcover was released in December 1993, still 5 months before the DS9 episode "Crossover" revisited the mirror universe.
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Old May 7 2014, 12:22 PM   #93
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It could still be in-continuity with the current novelverse. Q & A confirmed there is more than one mirror universe. In one of these, the Terran Empire is still active in the 24th century.
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Old May 7 2014, 05:32 PM   #94
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The continuity issues with Dark Mirror apply to the Federation timeline as well. For instance, in the novel, the events of "Mirror, Mirror" are classified and need-to-know only, but in "Crossover," Bashir says he learned about them at the Academy. Also, DM says that the laws of physics would cause devastation on a galactic scale if any large amount of matter from one timeline stays too long in another, which is inconsistent with "In a Mirror, Darkly" vis-a-vis the Defiant, as well as the 2009 movie vis-a-vis the Narada, and probably a few other things as well (including my interpretation in Forgotten History of the origins of Miri's Earth).
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Old May 8 2014, 02:43 AM   #95
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DS9: Fearful Symmetry and TNG: Q & A have cameos by alternate iterations of the mirror universe where the Terran Empire survived into 2377 and 2380, respectively. Given what MU: The Sorrows of Empire established about interstellar militaries and politics in the late 23rd century, I wonder how the aforementioned cameo realities could have come about. I conjecture that it would make for an interesting media project like the Abramsverse, but with the sheer amount of cruelty and killing that the Terran Empire entails, how could it live up to Gene Roddenberry's legacy?
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Old May 8 2014, 06:09 PM   #96
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I conjecture that it would make for an interesting media project like the Abramsverse, but with the sheer amount of cruelty and killing that the Terran Empire entails, how could it live up to Gene Roddenberry's legacy?
Easy. Only the heroes need to be examples of virtue fighting against the evil empire, e.g. exchange the crew but keep the cool mirror styles (Excelsior: Shattered Universe), have them survive against the mighty empire and feature trigger-happy but ultimately honorable Klingon warriors you earn as allies (cf. ENT "The Andorian Incident", Vulcan-Andorian arc) and overthrow/reform the evil Terran Empire in the third movie (cf. Star Wars, Rise Like Lions). Voilá.
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Old May 8 2014, 06:44 PM   #97
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It is a shame we never got a mirror mirror episode on TNG. I really like this book and the audio version is enjoyable to listen to as well.


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Old May 8 2014, 07:29 PM   #98
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It is a shame we never got a mirror mirror episode on TNG.
Jerome Bixby, author of "Mirror, Mirror," pitched a sequel to TNG, but they didn't go for it. I believe it was called "Broken Mirror." I wonder what his approach would've been. (I know about it because it was mentioned in Starlog, but I don't recall if the article went into detail on the story.)
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Old May 8 2014, 09:16 PM   #99
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Any idea what Broken Mirror would have been about?


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As I said, all I remember is the fact that it was pitched and what it was called.

This older TrekBBS thread says that it would've brought back a TOS cast member, which was something the producers didn't want to do at that time.
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Old May 8 2014, 09:39 PM   #101
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Looks like they were going to try and bring Shatner back as Tiberius in a Mirror Mirror episode for Enterprise. That would have been cool


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Old May 9 2014, 12:11 AM   #102
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DS9: Fearful Symmetry and TNG: Q & A have cameos by alternate iterations of the mirror universe where the Terran Empire survived into 2377 and 2380, respectively. Given what MU: The Sorrows of Empire established about interstellar militaries and politics in the late 23rd century, I wonder how the aforementioned cameo realities could have come about. I conjecture that it would make for an interesting media project like the Abramsverse, but with the sheer amount of cruelty and killing that the Terran Empire entails, how could it live up to Gene Roddenberry's legacy?
I can't believe I forgot about the alternate MUs seen in Fearful Symmetry and Q & A. I've actually used that argument before.
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Old May 9 2014, 12:22 AM   #103
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I would love to see an Abramsverse take on the mirror universe.

And not like they did in the comics...



but a full-out, balls-to-the-wall, "real" Mirror Abramsverse blockbuster.
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Old May 9 2014, 03:42 AM   #104
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I would love to see an Abramsverse take on the mirror universe.

And not like they did in the comics...



but a full-out, balls-to-the-wall, "real" Mirror Abramsverse blockbuster.
That's how I interpret Mirrored because I dislike it, but a lot of other people interpret that it was in fact an actual reality.
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Old May 9 2014, 04:08 AM   #105
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Well, the thing about the "everything happens in infinity" premise that the comics seem to be using is that it includes everything everything. So even a fictional story told by a character in one universe is going to be real somewhere in the infinite multiverse, according to this line of thought. Because even the most incredibly unlikely thing, like reality exactly conforming to somebody's work of fiction, will inevitably happen if you give it an infinite number of chances. That's why a lot of people like that idea, and why others, like me, dislike it: because it's a handy excuse to justify any cockamamie notion no matter how absurd it seems.
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