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Old May 6 2014, 02:20 AM   #31
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Re: 24: Live Another Day. Discussion Thread. (Spoilers)

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The thing was it literally came out of no where, it was a complete 180 from what the character had done/said at the point and the show runners themselves admit they didn't know what to do with her but then thought it was "perfect" to make her a mole. A trope the series had well overused.
The point where they turned her into a mole wasn't handled well but I thought everything up to that was okay.

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What year is this supposed to take place in? With all the craziness of the first 8 seasons, that I rarely watched but get the point, they never took place one day / year after another. So is this like 2032 now or something?
It takes place in the perpetual now.
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Old May 6 2014, 02:26 AM   #32
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It takes place in the perpetual now.
Which is ridiculous and makes events in the series make less and less sense than if we just assume it takes place in the future.
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Old May 6 2014, 02:30 AM   #33
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What year is this supposed to take place in? With all the craziness of the first 8 seasons, that I rarely watched but get the point, they never took place one day / year after another. So is this like 2032 now or something?
It takes place in the perpetual now.

That' what I was afraid of It's like the Odyssey series of books. Each one is a semi squeal and for some reason 3001 changed all the dates from the previous books, it's just stupid!
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Old May 6 2014, 02:51 AM   #34
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That' what I was afraid of It's like the Odyssey series of books. Each one is a semi squeal and for some reason 3001 changed all the dates from the previous books, it's just stupid!
Which is why I ignore it because it doesn't make sense. All of the events of the series obviously have happened and has impacted the characters for the "perpetual now" to make sense it would mean shifting earlier seasons more and more into the past which, before too long, they take too far back in the past for the series to have been viable as certain technological, political and sociological advancements become less and less likely to have existed back then.

Some 18 years or so have passed since the first season is we go with the "perpetual now" idea then the first season took place in 1994. Which makes some of the stuff in it slightly less likely. (Not impossible, necessarily just less likely.)

Figuring it out just now it should be sometime in 2019 in the 24 universe assuming the first season took place in 2000, an election year in the past when the show premiered. If it took place in then then future of 2004 then it's 2023 in the 24-universe. Just over 18 years have passed over the course of the series.
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Old May 6 2014, 02:58 AM   #35
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Kim Raver was rockin' it tonight.

And it looks like we don't need separate episode threads after all.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:00 AM   #36
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Yeah, I think we'll be okay with a single thread.

When the chick walked into the Bloke's Room I knew she was going to kill him and be a bad guy.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:14 AM   #37
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While it was nice to see Jack again, I wasn't wowed by it.

It's sort've obvious Jack is going to try and get back with Audrey, turning pompous asshole husband into some kind of villain in the mean time. Benjamin Bratt will be relegated to the sidelines, while his two bickering subordinates fumble after Jack and Chloe.

But what 24 has done so well and done so well again here is the WTF moment of the British terrorists hacking in the US drones and what is going on there.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:16 AM   #38
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I like the 2019 idea. It fits into the timeline and it's not too far into the future. I haven't seen the Veronica Mars movie, but if she graduated in 2006 and i's 10 years later it must be 2016. Things should just go with it, we understand the time differences.

It's like changing the timeline of Star Trek because we now have tech more advance than they did 2290 or whenever TOS takes place in. Yeah I'm on a Star Trek forum and don't remember.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:22 AM   #39
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I like the 2019 idea. It fits into the timeline and it's not too far into the future. I haven't seen the Veronica Mars movie, but if she graduated in 2006 and i's 10 years later it must be 2016. Things should just go with it, we understand the time differences.

It's like changing the timeline of Star Trek because we now have tech more advance than they did 2290 or whenever TOS takes place in. Yeah I'm on a Star Trek forum and don't remember.
TOS virtually took place exactly 300 years from when the show/movies were made, the 2260s for the series and the 2270s-2290s for the movies.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:26 AM   #40
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That' what I was afraid of It's like the Odyssey series of books. Each one is a semi squeal and for some reason 3001 changed all the dates from the previous books, it's just stupid!
Which is why I ignore it because it doesn't make sense. All of the events of the series obviously have happened and has impacted the characters for the "perpetual now" to make sense it would mean shifting earlier seasons more and more into the past which, before too long, they take too far back in the past for the series to have been viable as certain technological, political and sociological advancements become less and less likely to have existed back then.

Some 18 years or so have passed since the first season is we go with the "perpetual now" idea then the first season took place in 1994. Which makes some of the stuff in it slightly less likely. (Not impossible, necessarily just less likely.)

Figuring it out just now it should be sometime in 2019 in the 24 universe assuming the first season took place in 2000, an election year in the past when the show premiered. If it took place in then then future of 2004 then it's 2023 in the 24-universe. Just over 18 years have passed over the course of the series.
Actually, it's an alternate universe. Elections take place 1998, 2002 (The Democratic Primary), etc.

The real question is -- how old is Jack? He's been a grandpa for like 6 or 7 years...how old was he & Kim when they started?

Also -- where's Chloe's child? Or will we find out later?

And Also -- where's Aaron Pierce??? He's retired, so we can't he be in London for vacation?
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Old May 6 2014, 03:47 AM   #41
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Also in this alternate universe the English only have police near Downing Street and let Americans run around town firing automatic weapons.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:57 AM   #42
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Actually, it's an alternate universe. Elections take place 1998, 2002 (The Democratic Primary), etc.
I prefer to place them in actual election years.

The real question is -- how old is Jack? He's been a grandpa for like 6 or 7 years...how old was he & Kim when they started?
We see someone sit down in this episode and look at a dossier on Jack which gives his birthdate as February 18, 1966 making Jack 52 if the series currently takes place in 2018.

Some 24 "EU" stuff is referenced in this dossier which in of themselves connect to other "EU" things which all supports S1 taking place in 2000.

In S1 Kim was still in high school, a senior, and, IIRC, serving out a suspension.

This would make her currently 36 and Jack 34 in S1. Which means Jack was 16 when he fathered Kim which may open up some problems considering Jack's back story but, again, isn't impossible.
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Old May 6 2014, 04:12 AM   #43
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The President is Reagan-ing!

At this point they should make William Devane a real president

He played JFK

He played the president in Stargate SG-1

He played the president in "The Dark Knight Rises"

He plays a president with Alzheimer

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Old May 6 2014, 06:28 AM   #44
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So far its enjoyable.
Whats Jacks Kill count?

And I think President Heller's son in-law is a douche.


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When the chick walked into the Bloke's Room I knew she was going to kill him and be a bad guy.
Just means she wont last more than a few Hrs in this time line.
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It was an enjoyable first two episodes. Loved seeing Jack back and I like this new Chloe, which is pretty much the old Chloe. I will say though that much like 24 in the later seasons, the only storyline I'm interested in right now is anything having to do with Jack and Chloe, so hopefully they get a little more urgency with Heller and his condition.

It was also nice to get back up to speed with everything. It's been so long since I've seen an episode of 24 that I forgot about the two Russian diplomats.

Looking forward to seeing the plot develop.
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