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Old April 28 2014, 05:25 PM   #181
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Like this baby?


This little guy is precious and gives the kind of reaction you hope a character inspires.


Another great thing about that clip is it reminded me to mention the 'wind blowing' sound effect from the Superman TV series revisited for this film.

*cue someone complaining how sound wouldn't work that way at those speeds*
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Old April 29 2014, 01:08 AM   #182
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Reeve's Superman didn't have to "learn" how to be a hero, he just was.
He spent a great deal of time learning to be a hero under Jor-El's tutelage before he saw any action as Superman, and then he eased into things, taking on small-time crooks and rescuing cats from trees.
Yep. In the Donner film, Clark looks to be about 18 when he travels to Antartica. He looks at least 30 when he emerges from the Fortress as Superman.
And there is nothing really that states he had to be in the fortress all the time for that period. For all we know he could have been traveling the world during those years.
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Old April 29 2014, 03:44 AM   #183
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He spent a great deal of time learning to be a hero under Jor-El's tutelage before he saw any action as Superman, and then he eased into things, taking on small-time crooks and rescuing cats from trees.
Yep. In the Donner film, Clark looks to be about 18 when he travels to Antartica. He looks at least 30 when he emerges from the Fortress as Superman.
And there is nothing really that states he had to be in the fortress all the time for that period. For all we know he could have been traveling the world during those years.
He was traveling galaxies, according to the film
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Old April 29 2014, 04:34 AM   #184
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It makes Superman's job a lot easier if the buildings are nice and bendy (7:00-ish):
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Old April 29 2014, 06:25 AM   #185
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^ OH NO 9/11 imagery!

And look here, destruction porn!
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Old April 29 2014, 03:32 PM   #186
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It's a sad truth that, post-9/11, no one takes a big threat seriously in an action movie until the villain's killed or critically endangered thousands of people and a lot of infrastructure. What might once have been the climax of a battle is the intro to it now.
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Old April 29 2014, 03:57 PM   #187
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^ OH NO 9/11 imagery!

And look here, destruction porn!
1. It was an empty city and people did not die
2. The excessive destruction had a purpose -- to show how rash and irresponsible Superman is. To show how he has fallen from the hero that he used to be.
3. The destruction was shown in a negative light and people, such as Captain Marvel, were disgusted by Superman's actions. Superman's actions hurt the reputation of the Justice League and empowered power like Amanda Waller and Lex Luthor to stand against them.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:05 PM   #188
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It was an empty city and people did not die
Okay, they can make Superman movies only for the preschool and K-12 crowds - the old target audience for comics, back in the day anyway - but they better not spend more than a few million dollars on it, or they'll lose their shirts.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:45 PM   #189
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Kelthaz wrote: View Post
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^ OH NO 9/11 imagery!

And look here, destruction porn!
1. It was an empty city and people did not die
2. The excessive destruction had a purpose -- to show how rash and irresponsible Superman is. To show how he has fallen from the hero that he used to be.
3. The destruction was shown in a negative light and people, such as Captain Marvel, were disgusted by Superman's actions. Superman's actions hurt the reputation of the Justice League and empowered power like Amanda Waller and Lex Luthor to stand against them.
I know. I watched the show back in the day. I was lampooning criticisms lobbed at MOS for the mass destruction in the film. When in truth such levels of destruction are apart of the Superman genre and have been for decades. I attempted to find Superman's fight vs Doomsday on youtube, but all I found were amvs.
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Old April 30 2014, 01:01 AM   #190
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<<Okay, they can make Superman movies only for the preschool and K-12 crowds - the old target audience for comics, back in the day anyway - but they better not spend more than a few million dollars on it, or they'll lose their shirts. >>

He was referring to the Justice League episode which featured an empty city that was being constructed and had not been moved into yet. So it literally was an empty city.
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Old April 30 2014, 03:14 AM   #191
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He was referring to the Justice League episode which featured an empty city that was being constructed and had not been moved into yet. So it literally was an empty city.
Right. It was a ploy by Luthor to discredit Superman. The city (or suburb) being empty makes perfect sense in the context of the episode. It wasn't the typical "Monsters attacking the abandoned warehouse district" excuse that Power Rangers pulled out every week.
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Old April 30 2014, 10:48 PM   #192
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^ OH NO 9/11 imagery!

And look here, destruction porn!
1. It was an empty city and people did not die
2. The excessive destruction had a purpose -- to show how rash and irresponsible Superman is. To show how he has fallen from the hero that he used to be.
3. The destruction was shown in a negative light and people, such as Captain Marvel, were disgusted by Superman's actions. Superman's actions hurt the reputation of the Justice League and empowered power like Amanda Waller and Lex Luthor to stand against them.
I know. I watched the show back in the day. I was lampooning criticisms lobbed at MOS for the mass destruction in the film. When in truth such levels of destruction are apart of the Superman genre and have been for decades. I attempted to find Superman's fight vs Doomsday on youtube, but all I found were amvs.
yes, but, as is said above the episode is basically a 'what not to do' if you're Superman. He comes out looking horribly.

The baby in the video's head would've exploded if they'd showed him the plane sequence from Superman Returns.
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Old May 1 2014, 08:31 AM   #193
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1. It was an empty city and people did not die
2. The excessive destruction had a purpose -- to show how rash and irresponsible Superman is. To show how he has fallen from the hero that he used to be.
3. The destruction was shown in a negative light and people, such as Captain Marvel, were disgusted by Superman's actions. Superman's actions hurt the reputation of the Justice League and empowered power like Amanda Waller and Lex Luthor to stand against them.
I know. I watched the show back in the day. I was lampooning criticisms lobbed at MOS for the mass destruction in the film. When in truth such levels of destruction are apart of the Superman genre and have been for decades. I attempted to find Superman's fight vs Doomsday on youtube, but all I found were amvs.
yes, but, as is said above the episode is basically a 'what not to do' if you're Superman. He comes out looking horribly.
Superman was a jerk in the episode but he was dealing with one of Luthor's schemes. Earlier in the episode some stole several pounds of weapons grade Kryptonite from Star Labs. Luthor admitting to using it in his reactor to power the city only raised Superman's suspicions. It's not like Luthor isn't a habitual liar. Captain Marvel came off way to naive in this episode. The wisdom of Solomon should've put him in tune with not trusting Luthor at his word. Substitute the Joker in place of Luthor and Batman in place of Superman. If the Joker had stolen materials to make a bomb, and told Batman they were constructed in to a benign generator; do you think Batman would believe him? No.

Point of the clip was to show that when megaton characters fight on Earth everything around them shatters, breaks and crumples. You see this with Superman vs Captain Marvel, Atlas, Hercules, Doomsday, Zod etc. Trot over to Marvel and it's the same thing when Hulk goes at it with Thor or other Hulks, Thor vs Hercules, Thing vs Black Bolt, Colossus vs Juggernaut etc etc. Property damage on a massive scale is what happens when super strong characters collide.


In other news though. Marvel's Editor and Chief gave his thoughts on MOS. Read here.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...-man-of-steel/

This guy is so far out of touch it's not even funny.
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Old August 3 2014, 11:48 AM   #194
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Comic book author Grant Morrison (All Star Superman, New 52 Action Comics Superman volumes 1-3, 1990's JLA volumes 1-4, Arkham Asylum) has given his own scenario of how MOS should have ended.

"You mentioned Superman earlier, and I just wanted to thank you for that one beat in All-Star Superman where he stops on the building and just hugs a girl who’s about to kill herself. That’s one of the best and most powerful Superman moments I’ve ever seen, and, holy jeez, I’m tearing up right now just thinking about it.

GM: I did as well! What I love most about that is that it’s actually real kids’ lives! You can look this up online. Kids writing in saying ‘I was about to commit suicide and I read that scene and I didn’t,’ and then other people said ‘that happened to me as well.’ For me, that’s Superman! That was how Superman works. He’s not real, he can never be real, he’s never going to break anyone’s neck, but he just saved a kid’s life. A creature of paper saved a kid’s life, and to me, that’s what’s great about comics and about superheroes. They don’t have to be real to be functional.

Speaking of Superman breaking necks, what did you think about Man of Steel?

GM:I try to just take things on their own level. I enjoyed a lot of the film. It’s not my Superman in any way, but I enjoyed a lot of the work. But I just couldn’t buy into snapping Zod’s neck. Superman would have got Zod and flew him to the moon and punched the shit out of him on the moon. Superman thinks ‘Zod’s getting his powers from the sun, but he’s only been here for a few weeks, he won’t be that powerful. So it’s basically my power against his.’ That’s what happens in my scene. Then he hits him to Mars. Then he hits him to Pluto. The two of them punching it out on the barren, black landscape of Pluto.

Yeah, I’d rather have seen that!

GM: Then Zod’s losing his powers, and Superman’s maybe losing his a little bit, so who goes first? That would be my version. To me, Superman’s the one character who solves problems by NOT killing people. Honestly, I think that should be a rule, because there’s no others. It makes you think differently if you’re doing it. You can’t just solve this problem Elliott Ness would solve it or the way Arnold Schwarzenegger would solve it. You should solve it like Superman would solve it.

I don’t know if Arnold Schwarzenegger solves any problems.

GM: (laughs) He causes more problems than he’s ever solved. But just for your imagination, just to allow you to play with that as a concept. But filmmakers have got their own ways of looking at things, and there’s this idea of trying to make everything grounded and real, and so obviously they believe that it’s real that most of us would snap the necks of our enemies, given the chance."


Full article here.
http://www.craveonline.com/comics/ar...in-annihilator
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Old August 3 2014, 02:29 PM   #195
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I find it interesting that Morrison would be against it since when it comes to Batman he tries to embrace all levels of comics continuity, and the real Superman in the 80s comics executed Zod.
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