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Old April 30 2014, 11:07 PM   #16
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Re: Your ideal New Trek Series

STAR TREK: The Next Generation has this uncanny knack for satisfying audiences to the very core. That kind of an experience with The Original Series characters is the ideal blend ... the perfect mix ... designed to satiate and keep us coming back for more. I personally can't wait to see it, myself ...
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Old May 2 2014, 01:59 AM   #17
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For me the "ideal" series would be something that continues the overall plot lines of TNG and DS9 (maybe picking up a few years after Nemesis) with a new crew and cameos from TNG, DS9 and VOY characters. It could have complex multi episode story arcs mixed in with more TNG like exploration.

But... That will never happen. Trek has moved on and any potential TV series will want to draw in the wider audience of the JJ movies, not hardcore nerds like me. Then there's the weird bifurcated nature of the rights to the franchise, Paramount owns the rights to the movies while CBS owns the rights to any future TV series.

CBS could really do whatever the heck it wants with the franchise and not be beholden to the new movies. I suspect however that they would try to tie a new series to the JJ universe in some way. They will never be able to have the same actors portray Kirk and company on the small screen and I don't think they would take the risk of recasting them again. So that leaves them with two options, either have the show follow another crew in the JJ TOS era or more likely do a TNG reboot set in the future of the JJ universe. TNG has pretty wide cultural recognition and for much of my generation (worthless 20 somethings) it is the embodiment of Star Trek.

However I think it will be a while before we see Star Trek return to television. I think the JJ movies will have to run their course first. CBS just doesn't seem interested even though a lot of high profile people have made pitches for a new series. It's too big of a potential cash cow to ignore forever but right now CBS doesn't know how to reconcile a new series with the current movies.
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Old May 3 2014, 02:16 AM   #18
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Some big fun, action-adventure in a weird and wild final frontier.
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Old May 3 2014, 02:39 AM   #19
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Kirk and Spock on the Enterprise.
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Setting: 37th century. The old UFP splintered and collapsed nearly 1,200 years ago. The Galactic War lasting from the 26th through the 27th centuries was a huge conflict that further fragmented the galaxy. A new power structure was in place following the war but within 200 years it too had collapsed as the sentient races of the galaxy tore at one another with a ferocity that made even the Galactic War seem tame by comparison. Stars exploded into novas, consuming whole planets during this Final War. Empires were shattered and entire species were rendered extinct, even the victors were so battered that they lacked the resources to hold their empires together and once more collapsed back to a solely planet-bound existence with only antique sub-space radio allowing contact between systems. After nearly 600 years star flight was once more possible, and the wanderlust that had first inspired man to reach for the stars had once more come to the fore; starships began to be sent out once more to build a new union among races. It is now 150 years later and the dawn of the second United Federation of Planets is at hand.

The Familiar Locale: The Earth Confederacy Starship CSS Enterprise. Even after all this time the name of Enterprise has a special meaning for humans and the legend of the starships that have borne that name lives on. The current Enterprise is a multi-mission Command Cruiser that first went into service 18 years ago and is designated CC-171-M. Enterprise is approximately 430 meters in length and displaces 1.4 million tons. She has a crew of 615, primarily Earth humans but also a substantial number of humans from other planets and a smattering of allied aliens on detached duty aboard her. She is intended to be out in space for a period of five years followed by a one year long repair and refit period on Earth. The crew is usually rotated at this time. At this point in time a new crew has just reported for duty aboard her.

Changes: The Romulans, Cardassians, Founders, Borg, Tellarites and Ferengi no longer exist. These races were obliterated or blasted back to the Stone Age during the Final War. The Klingon Empire was destroyed, it’s worlds reduced to less than a dozen none of which has had star flight capability in centuries, although within the last 50 years an ancient Negh’Var class warship was discovered deep within the Klinzhai system. The Klingons have been struggling to re-learn the vessel’s secrets and are now ready to try and operate her. The major Earth allies remain Andor, Bajor and Vulcan although like everyone in the 37th century they are nowhere near as powerful as they once were. The major adversaries are the Tholian Hegemony, the Orion Corporate Authority and the Jem Hadar Imperium. Of the three the Jem Hadar are the most dangerous. Little more than ammunition used by the Founders in the 24th century they have built themselves into a formidable power following the fall of their former masters.

The Crew:

Fleet Captain Thomas V. Stuart – Commanding Officer, a Canadian in his mid forties. Tough when has to be but very fair-minded and passionate about the causes he believes in. Highly regarded within the Confederacy Star Navy, previously commanded the Patrol Corvette Lightning, the Exploration Frigate Calypso, the Light Cruiser Amethyst, and the Heavy Cruiser Ville de Paris. He is a veteran of hundreds of missions with a broad and mature view of alien life and culture. Divorced father of two.

Commander Marie Falcone – Executive Officer, an Italian in her late thirties. Ten years ago she was on the fast track to her first command, then she hit a wall when she was made the scapegoat for an Admiral’s screw-up and she was sidelined to “non-essential” duties. Since then she has been diligently working to resurrect her career from the Navy’s trash heap. Enterprise is her second chance and she’s determined to make the most of it.

Sub-Commander T’Vir, Vulcan Star Patrol detached duty with the ECSN – Second Officer, a Vulcan in her seventies. Granddaughter of the legendary Fleet Commander Sovor – widely considered the VSP’s finest captain – she seems to have inherited his genius in full measure. A high honor graduate of both the Vulcan Science and Star Academies, she has served in a wide variety of posts over the years, her last assignment having been command of a survey vessel. The assignment to Enterprise is considered a final polish before she moves on to a major command of her own.

Lieutenant Commander Lex Nakashima – Chief Engineering Officer, a Japanese/Korean in his late thirties. A true professional engineer, not a starship officer who just happens to be assigned to engineering. Directly commissioned from civilian life six years ago, previously he had been engineering professor and research engineer at the Montgomery Scott Institute of Technology from which he had graduated with two doctorates nine years earlier. Prior to his assignment as Enterprise chief engineer he had served as an engineering officer aboard the Patrol Corvette Speedy and as an engineering instructor at the Academy.

Lieutenant Commander Rene Lemercier – Chief Medical Officer. A Frenchman in his early forties. A dapper, friendly man with degrees in medicine, xeno-medicine and psychology. He has many connections to his fellow officers, was Stuart’s CMO on Amethyst, is friends with T’Vir’s mother, who was one of his instructors in medical school and served alongside Ernest Haynes – father of Catalina and Anton – when they were both at the start of their respective professions. He is currently studying for his degree in xeno-psychology.

Lieutenant Commander Ahmad Pasha – Science Officer, an Egyptian in his late twenties. Tall, stoic and mysterious best describe him. A student of both history as well as the sciences he is determined that studies of ancient civilizations are conducted with respect and do not degenerate into grave robbing as so often happened in his native land. A good practical as well as theoretical scientist he is working on a degree in engineering to supplement his Doctorate in Physics and Masters in Astronomy. Lt. Comdr. Nakashima is tutoring him and the two are on their way to becoming fast friends.

Lieutenant Catalina Haynes – Helm/Nav Officer, a Brazilian/American in her late twenties, half sister to Anton. If she had been born 17 centuries earlier she would have been one of those daredevil pilots that flew planes under bridges and through tunnels and such with mere millimeters to spare. She is able to get maneuvers out of Enterprise the book insists are flatly impossible. She is pretty much the same in her private life, if someone comes up with a new thrill, Cat will be first in line to try it. In addition her sexual appetite is the stuff of legend.

Lieutenant Anton Haynes – Communications Officer, a German/American in his mid twenties, half brother to Catalina. If Cat is first to test out new thrills, Anton is right behind her, but that is where the similarities end. Only a few years out of the Academy, Enterprise is his first deep space posting, having previously served at the ECSN’s central comm office for 2 years. He speaks over a dozen languages with varying degrees of fluency preferring to take the time to learn a language rather than relying on the universal translator.

Marine Captain Erin Doyle – CO Marine Detachment, an Irishwoman in her early thirties. Of average height and weight with dark auburn hair, hazel eyes and a trim, toned physique; few would suspect just how tough she really is. A brilliant ground tactician, superb marksman, unparalleled leader and master of five disciplines of unarmed combat; Erin is quite possibly the finest marine officer in the service today. Her troops hold her in near awe and would follow her if she decided to storm the gates of Hell armed only with a bucket of water. If trouble comes to Enterprise there is no one better able to deal with it.
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Old May 3 2014, 06:43 PM   #21
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Very nice, by pushing the story so far into the future you effectively get rid of much of the previous canon, and also (hopefully) the more magical technology.

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Old May 3 2014, 07:05 PM   #22
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Too human a crew for me.
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Old May 3 2014, 08:35 PM   #23
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Very nice, by pushing the story so far into the future you effectively get rid of much of the previous canon, and also (hopefully) the more magical technology.

Exactly. The previous series have all effectively faded into legend. The universe has gone through what amounts to a Dark Ages, after the fall of civilization and what really happened before is unknown. All they have are theories, suppositions, and old wives tales.

As for the magical tech, yes most of it would be gone, or at least lost. I'd set the tech somewhere between TOS and TNG, but closer to the former.

Bry, sorry about the lack of aliens but as this is an Earth ship I was going for a primarily Earth crew. Although I did try to pick some nationalities that we hadn't really seen on Trek before, or at least had seen little of. Canadian, Italian, Egyptian, Brazilian, German, and Irish.
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Old May 3 2014, 10:32 PM   #24
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Very nice, by pushing the story so far into the future you effectively get rid of much of the previous canon, and also (hopefully) the more magical technology.

Exactly. The previous series have all effectively faded into legend. The universe has gone through what amounts to a Dark Ages, after the fall of civilization and what really happened before is unknown. All they have are theories, suppositions, and old wives tales.

As for the magical tech, yes most of it would be gone, or at least lost. I'd set the tech somewhere between TOS and TNG, but closer to the former.

Bry, sorry about the lack of aliens but as this is an Earth ship I was going for a primarily Earth crew. Although I did try to pick some nationalities that we hadn't really seen on Trek before, or at least had seen little of. Canadian, Italian, Egyptian, Brazilian, German, and Irish.
I would have tried to make some humans from Earth's Colonies.
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Old May 3 2014, 10:44 PM   #25
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No time travel, no reset buttons, no technobabble resolutions.
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Old May 3 2014, 11:54 PM   #26
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ENT was a missed oppertunity, the decision to make the captain a innocent stumbling fool was a mistake. A few of the character were fine in isolation, but the crew never "meshed."

While not disregarding what happen in ENT, have another go at a pre-TOS series.


ENT could have been *BRILLIANT* (had the studio not insisted making it really a TNG clone - with "phase pistols" and "photonic torpedoes" and Ferengi and Brog - and not a true prequel. The tech should have been closer to what Spock described about the Romulan War era in "Balance of Terror" - which would NOT have *limited* the show, but made it be more creative.)

And they should have brought in new blood like Manny Coto and Judith and Garth Reeves-Stevens from the start.

It could have had the *excitement* and *freshness* and "adventure" of the new films - but with the brains and depth (and exploration of the human condition) of TNG, DS9, and the best of the TOS movies and episodes!

I loved that old Trek novel about the Enterprise's first voyage under Capt. April and his Doctor wife and Kirk's dad. That's kinda some of the feel I would have gone for.

With seat of your pants flying and exploration on the galaxy form the first time. With wonder and excitement and fear.
And I would have made the show concentrate more on the TOS (and some of the TMP background) races - and *meeting* them for the first time. (No TNG races except maybe a few it was established where known by then. Like when Dax said she was on Earth - though why it too 200 years for the Federation to find out about symbiote I'll know.) It would have been about exploring the galaxy (no silly "Temporal Cold War" and instead the Romulan War, the disastrous Firs Contact with the Klingons, and the Founding of the Federation (maybe even I would have used a League of Nations style failed coalition of Planets as stepping stone!)

And NO evil Vulcans! The Vulcans and Humans should have become fast and close friends like the Human and Thranx in Akan Dean Foster's Flinx and Pip novels - with the Vulcans as wiser guides - but who let the humans make their own decisions and mistakes when they needed to learn. (Sure, maybe thrown in a faction of Romulan spies - with the Vulcans keeping the true Vulcan-Romulan relationship secret because they feared losing the human friendship.)

The Enterprise might have looked like something between the "refit" NX idea - and the Daedalus class.

Such a waste...such a HUGE WASTE OF POTENTIAL.
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Old May 4 2014, 01:30 AM   #27
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Star Trek:
From the Ashes



Setting: 37th century. The old UFP splintered and collapsed nearly 1,200 years ago. The Galactic War lasting from the 26th through the 27th centuries was a huge conflict that further fragmented the galaxy. A new power structure was in place following the war but within 200 years it too had collapsed as the sentient races of the galaxy tore at one another with a ferocity that made even the Galactic War seem tame by comparison. Stars exploded into novas, consuming whole planets during this Final War. Empires were shattered and entire species were rendered extinct, even the victors were so battered that they lacked the resources to hold their empires together and once more collapsed back to a solely planet-bound existence with only antique sub-space radio allowing contact between systems. After nearly 600 years star flight was once more possible, and the wanderlust that had first inspired man to reach for the stars had once more come to the fore; starships began to be sent out once more to build a new union among races. It is now 150 years later and the dawn of the second United Federation of Planets is at hand.

The Familiar Locale: The Earth Confederacy Starship CSS Enterprise. Even after all this time the name of Enterprise has a special meaning for humans and the legend of the starships that have borne that name lives on. The current Enterprise is a multi-mission Command Cruiser that first went into service 18 years ago and is designated CC-171-M. Enterprise is approximately 430 meters in length and displaces 1.4 million tons. She has a crew of 615, primarily Earth humans but also a substantial number of humans from other planets and a smattering of allied aliens on detached duty aboard her. She is intended to be out in space for a period of five years followed by a one year long repair and refit period on Earth. The crew is usually rotated at this time. At this point in time a new crew has just reported for duty aboard her.

Changes: The Romulans, Cardassians, Founders, Borg, Tellarites and Ferengi no longer exist. These races were obliterated or blasted back to the Stone Age during the Final War. The Klingon Empire was destroyed, it’s worlds reduced to less than a dozen none of which has had star flight capability in centuries, although within the last 50 years an ancient Negh’Var class warship was discovered deep within the Klinzhai system. The Klingons have been struggling to re-learn the vessel’s secrets and are now ready to try and operate her. The major Earth allies remain Andor, Bajor and Vulcan although like everyone in the 37th century they are nowhere near as powerful as they once were. The major adversaries are the Tholian Hegemony, the Orion Corporate Authority and the Jem Hadar Imperium. Of the three the Jem Hadar are the most dangerous. Little more than ammunition used by the Founders in the 24th century they have built themselves into a formidable power following the fall of their former masters.

The Crew:

Fleet Captain Thomas V. Stuart – Commanding Officer, a Canadian in his mid forties. Tough when has to be but very fair-minded and passionate about the causes he believes in. Highly regarded within the Confederacy Star Navy, previously commanded the Patrol Corvette Lightning, the Exploration Frigate Calypso, the Light Cruiser Amethyst, and the Heavy Cruiser Ville de Paris. He is a veteran of hundreds of missions with a broad and mature view of alien life and culture. Divorced father of two.

Commander Marie Falcone – Executive Officer, an Italian in her late thirties. Ten years ago she was on the fast track to her first command, then she hit a wall when she was made the scapegoat for an Admiral’s screw-up and she was sidelined to “non-essential” duties. Since then she has been diligently working to resurrect her career from the Navy’s trash heap. Enterprise is her second chance and she’s determined to make the most of it.

Sub-Commander T’Vir, Vulcan Star Patrol detached duty with the ECSN – Second Officer, a Vulcan in her seventies. Granddaughter of the legendary Fleet Commander Sovor – widely considered the VSP’s finest captain – she seems to have inherited his genius in full measure. A high honor graduate of both the Vulcan Science and Star Academies, she has served in a wide variety of posts over the years, her last assignment having been command of a survey vessel. The assignment to Enterprise is considered a final polish before she moves on to a major command of her own.

Lieutenant Commander Lex Nakashima – Chief Engineering Officer, a Japanese/Korean in his late thirties. A true professional engineer, not a starship officer who just happens to be assigned to engineering. Directly commissioned from civilian life six years ago, previously he had been engineering professor and research engineer at the Montgomery Scott Institute of Technology from which he had graduated with two doctorates nine years earlier. Prior to his assignment as Enterprise chief engineer he had served as an engineering officer aboard the Patrol Corvette Speedy and as an engineering instructor at the Academy.

Lieutenant Commander Rene Lemercier – Chief Medical Officer. A Frenchman in his early forties. A dapper, friendly man with degrees in medicine, xeno-medicine and psychology. He has many connections to his fellow officers, was Stuart’s CMO on Amethyst, is friends with T’Vir’s mother, who was one of his instructors in medical school and served alongside Ernest Haynes – father of Catalina and Anton – when they were both at the start of their respective professions. He is currently studying for his degree in xeno-psychology.

Lieutenant Commander Ahmad Pasha – Science Officer, an Egyptian in his late twenties. Tall, stoic and mysterious best describe him. A student of both history as well as the sciences he is determined that studies of ancient civilizations are conducted with respect and do not degenerate into grave robbing as so often happened in his native land. A good practical as well as theoretical scientist he is working on a degree in engineering to supplement his Doctorate in Physics and Masters in Astronomy. Lt. Comdr. Nakashima is tutoring him and the two are on their way to becoming fast friends.

Lieutenant Catalina Haynes – Helm/Nav Officer, a Brazilian/American in her late twenties, half sister to Anton. If she had been born 17 centuries earlier she would have been one of those daredevil pilots that flew planes under bridges and through tunnels and such with mere millimeters to spare. She is able to get maneuvers out of Enterprise the book insists are flatly impossible. She is pretty much the same in her private life, if someone comes up with a new thrill, Cat will be first in line to try it. In addition her sexual appetite is the stuff of legend.

Lieutenant Anton Haynes – Communications Officer, a German/American in his mid twenties, half brother to Catalina. If Cat is first to test out new thrills, Anton is right behind her, but that is where the similarities end. Only a few years out of the Academy, Enterprise is his first deep space posting, having previously served at the ECSN’s central comm office for 2 years. He speaks over a dozen languages with varying degrees of fluency preferring to take the time to learn a language rather than relying on the universal translator.

Marine Captain Erin Doyle – CO Marine Detachment, an Irishwoman in her early thirties. Of average height and weight with dark auburn hair, hazel eyes and a trim, toned physique; few would suspect just how tough she really is. A brilliant ground tactician, superb marksman, unparalleled leader and master of five disciplines of unarmed combat; Erin is quite possibly the finest marine officer in the service today. Her troops hold her in near awe and would follow her if she decided to storm the gates of Hell armed only with a bucket of water. If trouble comes to Enterprise there is no one better able to deal with it.
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You want a new Trek series that I think would actually work? Ok...here it goes. I honestly believe these are required elements, regardless of how we feel or what we personally want.

1. No crossover fanwank. No Dr. Bashir and Tom Paris showing up to help B4 defeat the Borg Queen. This is where the current novels are total crap. A show depending on this kind of gimmick would be garbage.

2. Nothing post-Nemesis or post-Voyager.

3. Nothing so far in the future or so far away that it is no longer relatable.

4. Can't have "intergalactic politics" that so many fans love override a theme of pioneering and space exploration.

5. No war theme. It was already done well in DS9. No need to revisit that arc.

6. No need for the silly fan-wanky crew make-up so many seem to want. You know, no dolphin security officers, Horta Captains, or Romulan ships councilors. Stupid.

I believe this means a total reboot. If it were in my hands, I'd reboot the Kirk and Spock era aboard the original Enterprise as severely as BSG rebooted that franchise. Mainly, I think this is the way to go because of "brand recognition," but also because those characters are the best.

What made the original great was that it was cutting-edge and took a ton of risks for the time. I believe you'd need to bring a modern mentality and accomplish that very same thing for our time. Make it a cable show with a limited season run (8-10 episodes) so the writing and production values are top-notch.

I'd also look at doing something like Game of Thrones, where you have multiple interconnected story lines taking place in multiple locations. It would be cool to have the Enterprise be the hub of storytelling activity, but to have interconnected drama taking place on Earth, a remote space station, Kronos, etc.

I think they'd also need to have more risks with the characters. They'd need to be willing to make massive changes and developments and/or have character deaths occur at times. Have conflict and drama!

Also, don't overdo the technobabble or nerdy tech elements. Have more of aTOS approach where that stuff is there, but doesn't take 5 mins to explain, nor does it become necessary to solving the episode every week.

Include the classic antagonist races like Klingons, Romulans, and Tholians, but revamp them considerably to be multi-faceted and not so one-dimensional. The crap idea that Trek perpetuated was that "all Klingons are boisterous drunken warriors" and "all Romulans are scheming double-crossers." For a series that valued diversity, it really tended to pigeonhole races.

Visually, I think they need to abandon the static, 1987 TNG era presentation of ships. I'd love to see more of a "2001" realism to the starship scenes. Not taking it too far...but just taking it in a different direction, much the same way BSG did.

And, thematically, like in said earlier, it's a 70-30 split on pioneering / exploration and intergalactic politics. Lots of character drama and relationships. And, comparing the format to Thrones or BSG isn't to be mistaken for saying that Treks's fun and optimism should give way to darkness and violence. Sure, it can't be moustache twirling villains dressed in black against the ultimate pious good guy all the time either, but you can never do away with the fundamental theme of mankind striving to better themselves and working together. I wouldn't make them all perfect like the TNG characters, but they would also avoid the overboard use of "moral ambiguity" that seems so popular these days as well.

I think if you created a show based on these fundamentals, you'd have the best chance for success with fans and modern audiences. I'm Sure it would disgust and repel some fans, but that's completely unavoidable. You can't create a series like this and try to please everyone...and it would be death to try. Make something that is high-quality and dramatic and avoid fanwanky nerdy stuff and you can bring in a good percentage of the existing fan base and start to build a totally new one to ensure the franchises continuity and longevity.
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You want a new Trek series that I think would actually work? Ok...here it goes. I honestly believe these are required elements, regardless of how we feel or what we personally want.

1. No crossover fanwank. No Dr. Bashir and Tom Paris showing up to help B4 defeat the Borg Queen. This is where the current novels are total crap. A show depending on this kind of gimmick would be garbage.

2. Nothing post-Nemesis or post-Voyager.

3. Nothing so far in the future or so far away that it is no longer relatable.

4. Can't have "intergalactic politics" that so many fans love override a theme of pioneering and space exploration.

5. No war theme. It was already done well in DS9. No need to revisit that arc.

6. No need for the silly fan-wanky crew make-up so many seem to want. You know, no dolphin security officers, Horta Captains, or Romulan ships councilors. Stupid.

I believe this means a total reboot. If it were in my hands, I'd reboot the Kirk and Spock era aboard the original Enterprise as severely as BSG rebooted that franchise. Mainly, I think this is the way to go because of "brand recognition," but also because those characters are the best.

What made the original great was that it was cutting-edge and took a ton of risks for the time. I believe you'd need to bring a modern mentality and accomplish that very same thing for our time. Make it a cable show with a limited season run (8-10 episodes) so the writing and production values are top-notch.

I'd also look at doing something like Game of Thrones, where you have multiple interconnected story lines taking place in multiple locations. It would be cool to have the Enterprise be the hub of storytelling activity, but to have interconnected drama taking place on Earth, a remote space station, Kronos, etc.

I think they'd also need to have more risks with the characters. They'd need to be willing to make massive changes and developments and/or have character deaths occur at times. Have conflict and drama!

Also, don't overdo the technobabble or nerdy tech elements. Have more of aTOS approach where that stuff is there, but doesn't take 5 mins to explain, nor does it become necessary to solving the episode every week.

Include the classic antagonist races like Klingons, Romulans, and Tholians, but revamp them considerably to be multi-faceted and not so one-dimensional. The crap idea that Trek perpetuated was that "all Klingons are boisterous drunken warriors" and "all Romulans are scheming double-crossers." For a series that valued diversity, it really tended to pigeonhole races.

Visually, I think they need to abandon the static, 1987 TNG era presentation of ships. I'd love to see more of a "2001" realism to the starship scenes. Not taking it too far...but just taking it in a different direction, much the same way BSG did.

And, thematically, like in said earlier, it's a 70-30 split on pioneering / exploration and intergalactic politics. Lots of character drama and relationships. And, comparing the format to Thrones or BSG isn't to be mistaken for saying that Treks's fun and optimism should give way to darkness and violence. Sure, it can't be moustache twirling villains dressed in black against the ultimate pious good guy all the time either, but you can never do away with the fundamental theme of mankind striving to better themselves and working together. I wouldn't make them all perfect like the TNG characters, but they would also avoid the overboard use of "moral ambiguity" that seems so popular these days as well.

I think if you created a show based on these fundamentals, you'd have the best chance for success with fans and modern audiences. I'm Sure it would disgust and repel some fans, but that's completely unavoidable. You can't create a series like this and try to please everyone...and it would be death to try. Make something that is high-quality and dramatic and avoid fanwanky nerdy stuff and you can bring in a good percentage of the existing fan base and start to build a totally new one to ensure the franchises continuity and longevity.
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You want a new Trek series that I think would actually work? Ok...here it goes. I honestly believe these are required elements, regardless of how we feel or what we personally want.

1. No crossover fanwank. No Dr. Bashir and Tom Paris showing up to help B4 defeat the Borg Queen. This is where the current novels are total crap. A show depending on this kind of gimmick would be garbage.

2. Nothing post-Nemesis or post-Voyager.

3. Nothing so far in the future or so far away that it is no longer relatable.

4. Can't have "intergalactic politics" that so many fans love override a theme of pioneering and space exploration.

5. No war theme. It was already done well in DS9. No need to revisit that arc.

6. No need for the silly fan-wanky crew make-up so many seem to want. You know, no dolphin security officers, Horta Captains, or Romulan ships councilors. Stupid.

I believe this means a total reboot. If it were in my hands, I'd reboot the Kirk and Spock era aboard the original Enterprise as severely as BSG rebooted that franchise. Mainly, I think this is the way to go because of "brand recognition," but also because those characters are the best.

What made the original great was that it was cutting-edge and took a ton of risks for the time. I believe you'd need to bring a modern mentality and accomplish that very same thing for our time. Make it a cable show with a limited season run (8-10 episodes) so the writing and production values are top-notch.

I'd also look at doing something like Game of Thrones, where you have multiple interconnected story lines taking place in multiple locations. It would be cool to have the Enterprise be the hub of storytelling activity, but to have interconnected drama taking place on Earth, a remote space station, Kronos, etc.

I think they'd also need to have more risks with the characters. They'd need to be willing to make massive changes and developments and/or have character deaths occur at times. Have conflict and drama!

Also, don't overdo the technobabble or nerdy tech elements. Have more of aTOS approach where that stuff is there, but doesn't take 5 mins to explain, nor does it become necessary to solving the episode every week.

Include the classic antagonist races like Klingons, Romulans, and Tholians, but revamp them considerably to be multi-faceted and not so one-dimensional. The crap idea that Trek perpetuated was that "all Klingons are boisterous drunken warriors" and "all Romulans are scheming double-crossers." For a series that valued diversity, it really tended to pigeonhole races.

Visually, I think they need to abandon the static, 1987 TNG era presentation of ships. I'd love to see more of a "2001" realism to the starship scenes. Not taking it too far...but just taking it in a different direction, much the same way BSG did.

And, thematically, like in said earlier, it's a 70-30 split on pioneering / exploration and intergalactic politics. Lots of character drama and relationships. And, comparing the format to Thrones or BSG isn't to be mistaken for saying that Treks's fun and optimism should give way to darkness and violence. Sure, it can't be moustache twirling villains dressed in black against the ultimate pious good guy all the time either, but you can never do away with the fundamental theme of mankind striving to better themselves and working together. I wouldn't make them all perfect like the TNG characters, but they would also avoid the overboard use of "moral ambiguity" that seems so popular these days as well.

I think if you created a show based on these fundamentals, you'd have the best chance for success with fans and modern audiences. I'm Sure it would disgust and repel some fans, but that's completely unavoidable. You can't create a series like this and try to please everyone...and it would be death to try. Make something that is high-quality and dramatic and avoid fanwanky nerdy stuff and you can bring in a good percentage of the existing fan base and start to build a totally new one to ensure the franchises continuity and longevity.
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