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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old April 29 2014, 02:53 AM   #46
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Re: clocks, clocks everywhere (STVI)

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Old April 29 2014, 01:31 PM   #47
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In a way I feel it would have been better if the time had played a significant role in the film in some regard
They do provide some tension in the "approaching Khitomer" scene, although Spock's countdown makes them a bit redundant.

Speaking of that, it's nicely alien that Spock counts down in increments of three seconds. Humans would probably count in five. Or, if in a hurry, in two, as that's the shortest interval that doesn't yet get your tongue in a knot. Counting in threes messes up our decimal thinking...

in another way I feel that might have lampshaded their presence as surely as Valeris being the only prominent non-regular on the E meant when things went awry she was essentially the only real suspect (an issue I had with the movie version of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire as well).
It would have been the perfect time to make Chekov the villain here. He's a good candidate for a patriot and a Klingon-hater (they killed his brother, remember?), and an eager sort-of-young man who thinks what he is doing will greatly please his skipper even though he has to work in secrecy to give Kirk deniability. We could almost forgive him for participating in this plot - especially if Valeris turned out to be an accomplice who was better versed in the darker sides of the plot.

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Old April 29 2014, 02:13 PM   #48
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Poor Chekov. The unwilling villain in ST2, and now the unwitting villain in ST6! Can't the guy ever catch a break?
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Old April 29 2014, 06:48 PM   #49
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Re: clocks, clocks everywhere (STVI)

What if Scotty was the villain?

You know, I sense the makings of a poll here...
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Old April 30 2014, 12:51 AM   #50
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Scotty indeed hates Klingons.... but Sulu was not aboard the Enterprise..... maybe it was him. And where was Saavik?
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Old April 30 2014, 04:55 AM   #51
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Poor Chekov. The unwilling villain in ST2, and now the unwitting villain in ST6! Can't the guy ever catch a break?
To say nothing of getting his hand burned in TMP, falling off the deck of the aircraft carrier in TVH, getting lost in the woods and later brainwashed into one of Sybok's followers in TFF.

And then there's this travesty: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0581.jpg
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Old April 30 2014, 02:03 PM   #52
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Thanks. I NEVER saw that sign, now it bothers me that that's not an exit, but an entrance (to the simulator room).
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Old April 30 2014, 02:45 PM   #53
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The way I see the clock-issue: it doesn´t really matter whether or not such large and obviously placed clocks would make sense in-universe or not. Fact is, there weren´t any in three seasons of TOS and five movies, meaning they aren´t needed and/or wanted on a starship. So suddenly having them seems unnecessary at best.

To me they were always a distraction - I just can´t help but look at the running clock instead of the action on the Enterprise´s viewscreen.

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Old April 30 2014, 03:48 PM   #54
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Wasn't there a clock on the helm/nav console in "The Naked Now"? or am I mis-remembering?
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Old April 30 2014, 07:17 PM   #55
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Yes there was. But it was, as you said, down there on the console - among the other buttons, switches, dials and displays - and not up there above the main viewscreen in plain sight for everyone.
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Old April 30 2014, 07:30 PM   #56
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Re: clocks, clocks everywhere (STVI)

But that could just as easily work the other way...Starfleet decided over time that there in fact -was- a need for clocks.
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Old April 30 2014, 10:49 PM   #57
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Liked the clocks, liked the bells.

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The digital displays in that movie annoyed the hell out of me at the time. Just one more instance of Meyer pointlessly aping "The Hunt For Red October."
No.

Yes.

The visual nods to HFRO in ST VI are as obvious as the script borrowings - which is to say, very.
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Old April 30 2014, 11:39 PM   #58
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It would have been the perfect time to make Chekov the villain here. He's a good candidate for a patriot and a Klingon-hater (they killed his brother, remember?)
A delusion planted in Chekov's mind by the alien entity in "Day of the Dove." According to Sulu, Chekov has no brother -- he's an only child.
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Old May 1 2014, 04:51 AM   #59
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It would have been the perfect time to make Chekov the villain here. He's a good candidate for a patriot and a Klingon-hater (they killed his brother, remember?)
A delusion planted in Chekov's mind by the alien entity in "Day of the Dove." According to Sulu, Chekov has no brother -- he's an only child.
I also thought why make Chekov a traitor in the very last (intended) movie?
Its like killing off Data and Trip in the last movie/episode. The general public doesn't care and it just makes (some) fans unhappy.
I say let them go as heroes and not die.
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Old May 1 2014, 05:02 AM   #60
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Re: clocks, clocks everywhere (STVI)

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but that would put us back at the question of how to introduce a traitor aboard the E without making it obvious who it will be.

The only other solution that comes to mind is introducing enough minor characters that you can have some doubt.
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