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Old April 10 2014, 10:17 PM   #16
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Re: The FCA makes no sense

^It all depends on how you class left on the political spectrum, sure in the USA the Democratic Party is considered to be a left leaning political party. However in parts of the rest of the world it might be classed as a centre party, perhaps even centre-right. With the Republican Party leaning more well into the right end of the spectrum.
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Old April 20 2014, 07:24 PM   #17
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In TNG and DS9 we're given the impression that Ferengi society is this laissez faire corporate utopia where people can do whatever they want with their money and there's no taxation or regulation or any sort, even of things such as bribery and intimidation.

Then early to mid through DS9's run we learn of the Ferengi Commerce Authority, this organization that strictly regulates commerce and can forbid Ferengi from doing business and seize their assets any time they feel like it.

This makes no sense! You can't be an Ayn Rand paradise and have strict government regulations at the same time! It's like after all the work Armin Shimmerman did to make Ferengi society seem less cartoonish they decide, nope, we need a Ferengi cartoon villain. Ferengi society isn't a corporate utopia, it's just Earth on opposite day!

They should have done without the FCA and, if they needed a character in the role of Brunt, make him a competitor rather than a government bureaucrat.
I agree in theory. However, societies change. After all, who would have ever thought that Rom would have become the Grand Nagus?
The Ferengi may have started out poorly and disorganized, but perhaps their exposure to the Federation helped them become a more orderly civilization.
By the way, I loved Quark's dream in which the originator of the Rules of Acquisition told him that no one would buy them if he had just called them "suggestions" for acquisition.
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Old April 25 2014, 05:53 AM   #18
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JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
In TNG and DS9 we're given the impression that Ferengi society is this laissez faire corporate utopia where people can do whatever they want with their money and there's no taxation or regulation or any sort, even of things such as bribery and intimidation.

Then early to mid through DS9's run we learn of the Ferengi Commerce Authority, this organization that strictly regulates commerce and can forbid Ferengi from doing business and seize their assets any time they feel like it.

This makes no sense! You can't be an Ayn Rand paradise and have strict government regulations at the same time! It's like after all the work Armin Shimmerman did to make Ferengi society seem less cartoonish they decide, nope, we need a Ferengi cartoon villain. Ferengi society isn't a corporate utopia, it's just Earth on opposite day!

They should have done without the FCA and, if they needed a character in the role of Brunt, make him a competitor rather than a government bureaucrat.
I agree.
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Old April 26 2014, 06:01 PM   #19
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I don't think the regulations were that strict... unless you couldn't bribe someone.
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Old April 26 2014, 10:03 PM   #20
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Makes good sense to me (IMHO at the least).

Somebody has to enforce the Rules of Acquisition. So the FCA are kind of the police and/or moral and religious guardians of the Alliance (I say religious, because earning profit for Ferengi is not just a culture, it's important to get to Ferengi heaven or hell).

So the Grand Nagus establishes foreign policy and domestic policy whilst the FCA in my mind ensure the Rules of Acquisition are followed. It's just this government (which must be very light, with the FCA, armed forces, maybe a Nagus's personal guard, that's it) is not funded by taxes but by fees, donations and bribes.

I remember either Berman or Behr saying the FCA are like the IRS, I think a better analogy is like the Saudi religious police. they act in the name of the Saudi King to ensure people live by Saudi and Islamic custom, so it's not a tax authority per se but a cultural and religious one.
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Old April 27 2014, 01:42 AM   #21
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Interesting analogy. I never thought of the FCA that way.
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Old April 27 2014, 09:06 PM   #22
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There is a Rule of Acquisition that says "War is good for business"

There is a Rule of Acquisition that says "Peace is good for business"

But there is no Rule of Acquisition that says "Anarchy is good for business"
Quite true. In an anarchy, there would be so much chaos that there would not likely be any group strong or rich enough to buy weapons from the Ferengi (if there were, they'd take over and become the government). You can't sell weapons to a disorganized mob.
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Old April 27 2014, 11:58 PM   #23
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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
Jedi_Master wrote: View Post
There is a Rule of Acquisition that says "War is good for business"

There is a Rule of Acquisition that says "Peace is good for business"

But there is no Rule of Acquisition that says "Anarchy is good for business"
Quite true. In an anarchy, there would be so much chaos that there would not likely be any group strong or rich enough to buy weapons from the Ferengi (if there were, they'd take over and become the government). You can't sell weapons to a disorganized mob.
Indeed, businesses require the stability an effective government provides in order to profit. For that matter, it's not like there's anything particularly incompatible between capitalism and dictatorship. Just ask Pinochet.
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