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Old April 22 2014, 07:41 PM   #106
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I don't want to see Wang in a reboot.
I don't know if you mean Garrett Wang or penis? But either way, I agree!
A reboot should be all about the wang
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Old April 22 2014, 07:49 PM   #107
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Doesn't it make sense that the Vulcan captain of the Intrepid would have graduated before Spock?

He had already achieve Captain's rank and position while Spock was still a lowly Lt. Commander.
Not necessarily. Not everyone follows the same career path or trajectory. An officer specializing in sciences may not receive the same opportunities for promotion that an officer on the command track would--precisely because officers in the command division are being groomed for positions of greater authority and responsibility.

People trained in specific areas (science, medicine, engineering, etc) might ultimately achieve the rank of captain, but their primary responsibilities don't have to involve commanding a ship or a group of officers. Spock reached the rank of captain sometime prior to 2285, but his primary responsibility in that role was teaching a group of cadets at Starfleet Academy.

Aside from when Kirk was off the ship or otherwise not available, we never saw Spock commanding the Enterprise on his own for official missions.

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The same with Scotty, he did eventually rise to the rank of Captain in TSFS.
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Old April 22 2014, 08:26 PM   #108
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Old April 23 2014, 12:45 AM   #109
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I don't want to see any more Hand Bras! It's pointless. It's stupid-looking. Makers of STAR TREK, if you're going to flash some boob, try looking at what others have done, in the movie industry. For example, she turns towards him in a bath towel, which she drops. We see her from behind, but also, somewhat from the side, as well. Enough to catch her naked breast in profile. Something like that is ... sexy. Not seeing some chick holding her tits, whilst she holds deep, meaningful, plot-driven conversations, facing the camera, the whole time. There's no word for how dumb this looks ... really. So ... yeah. Let's ... let's not shoot it this way, anymore. 'K?:

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Old April 23 2014, 01:45 PM   #110
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Spock was the first Vulcan to graduate SFA......
Doesn't it make sense that the Vulcan captain of the Intrepid would have graduated before Spock?

He had already achieve Captain's rank and position while Spock was still a lowly Lt. Commander.

And there might have been many other Vulcans preceding both of them.

There could have been, but none graduated SFA before him. There could have been some sort of "exchange" program in place where Vulcan captains swapped places with Star Fleet Captains... kind of like Riker did on the Klingon ship.

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Spock was the first Vulcan to graduate SFA...
Source?
Under "Premise" http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...irst_Adventure

I don't believe (could be wrong) this is a canon fact.

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The Starfleet Academy idea... I don't know why that even came up, ever. When was the last successful film or TV show about university students or military cadets? I can't see any storyline for this, other than typical soap opera crap. But teenage soaps take place in high school, not university. And it would be over after 4 seasons.
Next please...
IIRC, Bennett's idea was to use the Academy concept to recast the aging actors and restart the franchise with a defacto reboot. By the end of the Academy movie, young Kirk and Spock would be on the Enterprise beginning the five year mission, which would lead to a new series of films.
Understand, but now what do we have. An inexperienced Kirk that through fate ends up given Star Fleet's flag ship. This has to be the least experienced Star Fleet Captain in history.

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They went to school.... and graduated.
And who exactly would "they" be?

Hopefully not Kirk and Spock again, I doubt they went to the academy at the same time, and if you meant the entire TOS team it's certain they weren't all there at the same time.

A Star Trek: Academy cast would need to create new characters for the cadet corp. Although it might be interesting to have a twenty-something Lt Kirk as one of the instructors in a occasion appearance.

But not too often.

Yeah, I alway thought "they" was referring to the TOS bunch.

I've just never been to keen on the idea of including their academy days as adventures... pretty boring if you ask me.
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Old April 23 2014, 03:52 PM   #111
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Spock was the first Vulcan to graduate SFA......
Doesn't it make sense that the Vulcan captain of the Intrepid would have graduated before Spock?

He had already achieve Captain's rank and position while Spock was still a lowly Lt. Commander.

And there might have been many other Vulcans preceding both of them.

Exactly. There is nothing that substantiates this assumption. Indeed it's counterintuitive that in an organization that represents different races Spock just happens to be the first Vulcan to graduate from Starfleet Academy. If anything Spock's notoriety (on Vulcan anyway) could more likely come from being a prominent Ambassador's son, something Starfleet mightn't give a shit about. The fact that Kirk and the rest did not know Spock's father was so prominent speaks to this being kept private outside of Vulcan society. And note, too, that T'Pring mentioned Spock was known in Vulcan society and yet again Kirk and McCoy and the rest knew nothing about it.

In some respects it makes Starfleet seem a bit like the French Foreign Legion where they didn't care who you were or where you were from. Your identity seemed to start the moment you signed up.

So certain individuals in Starfleet (and maybe even Pike himself) would know Spock's background from when he enrolled in the Academy, but beyond that the knowledge was essentially kept private.

Finally the argument T'Girl makes about the crew of the Intrepid is a valid one. And it suggests a more diversified and interesting background then one where Spock was simply the first and most well known. Indeed if he had been the first and most well know then why wouldn't it have been referenced before in an episode?
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Old April 23 2014, 10:46 PM   #112
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On the other hand, I have no problem with Spock being the first Vulcan-Human hybrid to graduate from Starfleet Academy.


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Old April 24 2014, 05:16 AM   #113
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I personally dislike the whole "Spock being the first Vulcan at the Academy" thing, since my recall on TOS is a little rusty I'm not sure if such a thing was ever stated in an episode.

That being said however, is he was the first, there are a few possible options to answer the point about the Intrepid's Captain. For example:
- Spock might be the first but it doesn't mean he was the best. He could be classed as very average, whilst the Vulcan future-Captain of the Intrepid was a brighter individual, which saw him excel in Starfleet.
- Whilst Spock went into the Sciences the Intrepid's Captain entered Command, with the ambition to become a starship CO and made sure to be in the right place at the right time to get promoted up.
- The Intrepid's Captain did a NuKirk and jumped from Cadet to Lieutenant to Captain in the space of a week, somehow.
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Old April 24 2014, 05:40 AM   #114
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^^ It's never stated in any episode that Spock was the first.
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Old April 24 2014, 06:43 AM   #115
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It is stated in nuTrek. And that's TEH CANON now!
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Old April 24 2014, 06:52 AM   #116
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It is stated in nuTrek. And that's TEH CANON now!
Since it's an alternate timeline anyway it means squat in regards to TOS continuity. That on top of so many other things.
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Old April 24 2014, 07:03 AM   #117
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It's also implied in TOS. Nobody knew about Spocks pon farr thing. If he wasn't the first, then why?

I say, either the whole pon farr schtick is a continuity violation, or that Vulcan Captain is. And I vote for Spock being the first Vulcan officially graduated Starfleet Academy.

Maybe that Captain came from Vulcan's Starfleet equivalent.
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Old April 24 2014, 07:12 AM   #118
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It's also implied in TOS. Nobody knew about Spocks pon farr thing. If he wasn't the first, then why?

I say, either the whole pon farr schtick is a continuity violation, or that Vulcan Captain is.
It's not even implied in TOS. And just because Kirk and McCoy didn't know about it doesn't mean no one else in Starfleet didn't know. Spock himself said few outside of Vulcan know.

How can pon farr or the Captain of the Intrepid be a continuity violation? TOS was first establishing things in that continuity. If it's contradicted later by some other doofus then they're the ones creating any contradiction.
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Old April 24 2014, 08:28 AM   #119
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Wrong. He was the first Vulcan to decline admission into the Vulcan Science Academy, not the first Vulcan in Starfleet.
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Old April 24 2014, 11:13 AM   #120
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^^ It's never stated in any episode that Spock was the first.
Thank you. I could never remember it being said, but couldn't definitively state that.

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It's also implied in TOS. Nobody knew about Spocks pon farr thing. If he wasn't the first, then why?
Because Vulcans have a very "Victorian" attitude towards sex (both parties involved just shut their eyes and think of Vulcan ). Its necessary for the continuation of the species, but its not something they discuss openly--even Tuvok seemed uncomfortable discussing the matter a century after TOS.
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