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Old April 24 2014, 05:33 AM   #76
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Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

It's sort of been sad watching how budgets are often over $100 million now, concentrating on blockbusters all the time. Instead of a variety of small interesting genre films that would take time to tell the story and make you think, now everything has to be a popcorn machine. This is from a perspective of watching films for over 50 years. Things are actually worse for independent producers now, not better.
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Old April 24 2014, 06:58 AM   #77
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I think Duncan Jones would be a great fit. He's already proven he can do solid science fiction (Moon, Source Code) and he still hasn't had his big break yet.

An arrogant fanboy (Orci) directing? Oh hell no. Might as well have Lindelof direct Prometheus 2.
Jones is doing WARCRAFT now, which also releases in 2016. Think he'd probably be a little tied up with a huge postproduction element on that one.
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Old April 24 2014, 07:03 AM   #78
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Quentin Tarantino's Star Trek. Phaser fire, even on stun, leaves a hole clear through a human torso. Spock says "fuck" about 300 times.
Naah, I think Robert Meyer Burnette had it right when he imagined a QT DS9 movie, with hot sweaty klingon sex and lots of greatness.

If QT had gotten to make CASINO ROYALE his way, we'd've had a faithful and absolutely amazing classic instead of the schizophrenic mess that so many of you ate up like it was actually tasty vittles.
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Old April 24 2014, 07:10 AM   #79
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The question shouldn't be "can Orci direct a big budget film?" but rather "can he direct a film at all?". TIME AFTER TIME wasn't a big budget film, but it showed that Meyer was capable of successfully directing a film and sometimes that's really all you need. A good comparison can be Steven Spielberg. Before working on RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, he never directed an action film and wasn't known as a guy who could deliver a film like that. Another good comparison from today can be the Russo brothers. Before directing CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLIDER, their only work so far had been comedies and TV sitcoms.

Unlike those directors I mentioned above, Orci had never directed anything. No short film, no TV episode, no film, nothing. I can see why Paramount would be hesitant in hiring him, hence why Bad Robot seems to be working really hard on lobbying for Orci.
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Old April 24 2014, 02:59 PM   #80
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On the other hand, it can be argued that "listening to the fans" can be another way of saying that you're doing justice to the spirit of the source material.
Except you'll never get all fans to agree on what the spirit of the source material is, or on anything else about it. That's part of the danger with trying to chase after the approval of other people -- which people do you choose? If you try to pander to everyone, to satisfy all the conflicting "notes" about what the work should be, you'll end up with something created by committee, something trying to go in several directions at once or something that's bland and homogenized to avoid offending anyone. Heck, the reason so many movies and TV shows are weak to begin with is because they have to try to please the conflicting demands of multiple studio, network, or advertising executives all at once and are often forced into incoherence as a result. Having to answer to the opinions of millions of viewers as well would just make the interference exponentially worse. Ultimately you have to base the work on your own vision, your own inspiration, your own interpretation of the meaning of the work. There's no guarantee others will respond to your vision, but at least your vision will be honest rather than a hollow attempt at pandering, and that's the only way it has a chance of being really great.


But I've seen instances of writers/directors saying essentially that they didn't give a damn what the fans thought - and it was ultimately to the detriment of those films.
And I've seen instances of writers/directors saying that and having it be to the benefit of those works. Obviously it's impossible for every work of a given type to be equally good. It's always going to be a gamble. The key is not to cherrypick the failures -- because there are many ways to fail, often through no fault of one's own -- but to focus on the successes and examine what made them work.
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Old April 24 2014, 03:08 PM   #81
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Devin Faraci of Badassdigest.com doesn't want Orci to direct Star Trek 3, either.
Faraci has never had an opinion or an idea worth noting that I'm aware of.

Sure, why not Orci? Let him do it.

Time After Time is not a well-directed film or one that showed a lot of directorial promise. It's memorable because it was cleverly written and well cast.
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Old April 24 2014, 04:31 PM   #82
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Meh, Leonard Nimoy did okay and he had only TV work in his pocket at that point. As long as the script is good, I'm pretty solid with it.
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Old April 24 2014, 04:50 PM   #83
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I can guarantee you that Nicholas Meyer gave zero fucks about what 'the fans' wanted.
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Old April 24 2014, 05:03 PM   #84
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Dennis wrote: View Post
why not Orci?


Seriously, the more I think about Orci directing, the more I like it.
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Old April 24 2014, 06:30 PM   #85
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Sure why not, aside from his conspiracy theorist nonsense he actually says good things in interviews about Trek. Plus his last two writing efforts on Trek made $1 billion from all sources and got writing award nominations and critical acclaim.

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Old April 24 2014, 08:22 PM   #86
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If QT had gotten to make CASINO ROYALE his way, we'd've had a faithful and absolutely amazing classic instead of the schizophrenic mess
Up to here, it's opinion about movies (both actual and hypothetical) and that's fine.

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... that so many of you ate up like it was actually tasty vittles.
This is an unnecessary swipe at other posters and thus not fine. Please remember to avoid doing that.
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Old April 24 2014, 08:26 PM   #87
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No one has any idea what Tarantino's movie would have been like, since it was never made.

We do know that the film actually made was tremendously successful and popular, so the producers made a number of good calls there - just as Paramount has with Star Trek in the last decade.
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Old April 24 2014, 08:34 PM   #88
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The guy's movie work is mediocre overall. There's nothing that really stands out for me other than his Star Trek work. I could see him getting the job, but he'd have to get a decent haircut first.
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Old April 24 2014, 10:03 PM   #89
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I can't see Tarantino doing a James Bond that was "faithful and absolutely amazing classic". I just can't see that his style fits that.
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Old April 24 2014, 11:11 PM   #90
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Tarantino's concept actually sounds pretty awesome. And there are pieces of the idea visible in the movie they made with Craig. It definitely would be different, though.
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