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Old April 17 2014, 04:49 PM   #16
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Re: How Powerful Are the Ferengi?

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I agree that the Ferengi could potentially have sizable forces under their belts, yet, without centralized leadership I don't see how they could be a conceivable powerful state. Couldn't some corporations establish separate peace with aggressors, fracturing the species?
Maybe the FCA (probably, in my mind, not just the government but also the first of their corporations to go interstellar) has enough power for enforcement to deter that, or, maybe somewhere in the Rules of Acquisition or some other Ferengi governing document, there is something that points out to them that fighting each other dilutes the strength of the "Ferengi" brand to other species.
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Old April 17 2014, 07:07 PM   #17
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How powerful?
The most power that money can buy, right?
Why fight a foreign country when you can buy their politicians and manipulate their news media?



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Old April 17 2014, 09:31 PM   #18
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Just got a thought.

Supposing that the dominion invasion of the alpha quadrant would have succeeded, I could picture the Ferengi as being one of the very few alpha quadrant cultures that would still be able to effectively elude Dominion control -- even when formally conquered. Although I would think it highly likely that they would cooperate with the dominion to their own advantage in the short term, in the long run, they might well be able to 'outsmart' the dominion.
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Old April 18 2014, 01:10 AM   #19
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The Ferengi might be able to surprise some complacent, overconfident opponents. They are intelligent and wily.
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Old April 18 2014, 07:14 AM   #20
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I wanted to see those Marauders in action during the Dominion War. But since they weren't plus how they ended up being portrayed on Ds9 I don't think Ferengi are much of a threat to anyone.
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Old April 18 2014, 08:23 AM   #21
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So, even though the Ferengi are capable economically, are they a society capable of unity? They lack a centralized military, and employ individuals who are interested solely in their own advancement. Capitalism is successful because it harnesses the inherent greed within us. It allows us to act as is within our nature, unlike communism and fascism. But, the Ferengi take it to an extreme. Could they even act as a cohesive unit in combating threats?
...you have hit on the seminal point, 'Pilly...if threatened, I think deals would be flying faster than a flock of Feluvian FireFoxes, rather than plans for unity, societal success and preservation...
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Old April 18 2014, 08:26 AM   #22
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How powerful?
The most power that money can buy, right?
Why fight a foreign country when you can buy their politicians and manipulate their news media?



Indeed, T...GPL could buy a lot of influence...but could the many be unified enough, or would the spoils go to the few making deals?...
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Old April 18 2014, 08:50 AM   #23
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I judge them to be weak. What if say a Borg cube randomly appeared in Ferengi space? I don't think you could buy off the Collective.

Does the Alliance have a unified fleet command and clear hierarchy of command? I would answer no. Even if the Marauder has proven itself a capable warship I don't find it likely that the Ferengi could organize sufficient numbers to have anything resembling a capable interstellar navy.
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Old April 18 2014, 11:14 AM   #24
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I remember when TNG was only a couple of years in, "Data Retrieval" technical pages of a Trek magazine I read (whose name escapes me) saying that the Klingons made peace with the Federation in the aftermath of a devastating war they had with the Ferengi. It's kinda ridiculous to imagine it, knowing what the Ferengi became.
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I wanted to see those Marauders in action during the Dominion War.
I feel like they almost certainly were, but acting as escorts for some of those trading ships that were travelling in and out of the GQ - and we unfortunately didn't even get to see that.
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Old April 18 2014, 02:37 PM   #26
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Sisko sent Nog with a formal request for help from the Nagus in Valiant, but he never got home on that occasion.

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I wanted to see those Marauders in action during the Dominion War. But since they weren't plus how they ended up being portrayed on Ds9 I don't think Ferengi are much of a threat to anyone.
Daft we never saw one in 7 years of DS9 - I guess they never build a CGI model at the time - then one showed up on Voyager in Inside Man.
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Old April 18 2014, 05:54 PM   #27
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It's true if a force like the Borg came in Ferenginar would be helpless, but that's an extreme case.

Right now the Ferengi are in a position where everybody else in the galaxy has more to gain by dealing with them than they do by conquering them. In the 24th century where it's not that hard to destroy all life in a solar system, that's better defense than a strong military.

Remember that the Dominion didn't even attack Ferengi ships in the GQ. If the Dominion had won the war, they would have taken no casualties and probably wouldn't have even had Gem'Hadar stationed on the planet.

Suppose you're trying to conquer the galaxy. Why spend the resources to subjugate Ferenginar when they don't pose you a threat, and they're the ones you're buying weapons from?

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Old April 18 2014, 06:23 PM   #28
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It's true if a force like the Borg came in Ferenginar would be helpless, but that's an extreme case.
The Ferengi have shown themselves to be talented in the technical fields, they might stand more of a chance against the Borg than many others.

The Borg seem to be more susceptible to trickery and the explotation of knowledge, than simply firepower.

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Old April 24 2014, 06:12 AM   #29
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I have no problem with the concept of a powerful Ferengi Alliance, assuming they acted as a cohesive unit. But I cannot understand how they would become cohesive in the first place. We get the impression that they lack a centralized military. We also get the impression that Ferengi are indoctrinated with the belief that greed is essential to success. With such an ideological structure, how could the Alliance not dissolve during a conflict, seeing as many of its citizens would strike deals with a potential aggressor, an aggressor who would happily seek out methods in which to divide the Ferengi?

For example, the United States during WWII was a highly capitalistic society, excluding FDR's reforms. Despite being highly capitalistic, Americans were able to come together in combatting a foreign threat. Were they not completely unified, certainly America's great economic power would have never been turned upon the Axis. The Ferengi emphasis on capitalism isn't the problem, but rather the Ferengi emphasis on self advancement, regardless of the cost to others, would naturally prevent unity.
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Old April 24 2014, 10:12 AM   #30
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I have no problem with the concept of a powerful Ferengi Alliance, assuming they acted as a cohesive unit. But I cannot understand how they would become cohesive in the first place. We get the impression that they lack a centralized military. We also get the impression that Ferengi are indoctrinated with the belief that greed is essential to success. With such an ideological structure, how could the Alliance not dissolve during a conflict, seeing as many of its citizens would strike deals with a potential aggressor, an aggressor who would happily seek out methods in which to divide the Ferengi?

For example, the United States during WWII was a highly capitalistic society, excluding FDR's reforms. Despite being highly capitalistic, Americans were able to come together in combatting a foreign threat. Were they not completely unified, certainly America's great economic power would have never been turned upon the Axis. The Ferengi emphasis on capitalism isn't the problem, but rather the Ferengi emphasis on self advancement, regardless of the cost to others, would naturally prevent unity.
If a threat is severe enough--one that endangers pretty much everything to the Ferengi--they will definitely come together. Anything less than that and the Ferengi will find a way to negotiate to something amicable and profitable.

War is good for business, peace is good for business, being unable to do business because your entire civilization has been destroyed is not good for business.
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