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Old April 23 2014, 09:09 PM   #61
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Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

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How about Seth MacFarlane for the directors chair?
Because this movie isn't a raunchy comedy.
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Old April 23 2014, 09:10 PM   #62
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I'm skeptical. Orci doesn't have a single directing credit on his rap sheet. I certainly wouldn't trust a novice first-time director on a high budget franchise, regardless of his success in producing or writing.
Like Nicholas Meyer? Who had only directed "Time After Time" prior to his directorial debut with the consensus "best" movie in the Star Trek Franchise?

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How does one direct a movie prior to one's directorial debut?
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Old April 23 2014, 09:15 PM   #63
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If Orci gets the director's chair, there will likely be questions whether he really directed it himself, or if Abrams was standing next to him making suggestions. Just like the debate on whether Howard Hawks or Christian Nyby directed The Thing from Another World.
How is he going to do that when Abrams is in the Middle East and UK filming Star Wars?
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Old April 23 2014, 09:15 PM   #64
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I'm skeptical. Orci doesn't have a single directing credit on his rap sheet. I certainly wouldn't trust a novice first-time director on a high budget franchise, regardless of his success in producing or writing.
Like Nicholas Meyer? Who had only directed "Time After Time" prior to his directorial debut with the consensus "best" movie in the Star Trek Franchise?

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How does one direct a movie prior to one's directorial debut?
Sorry- I misspoke. Meant that to read "Trek" Debut. "Time After Time": wasn't sure it was real until I looked on IMDB. My point is-he not only had VERY limited directing experience, but at the time knew NOTHING about Trek. He did OK. Orci could do great, he's been around productions, and I'm sure he's savvy enough to surround himself with guys who know what they're doing, and unlike Shatner won't assume he is always right.

Don't see how this would be bad for Trek, and it could be great.
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Old April 23 2014, 09:57 PM   #65
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I think that if Orci did get the job, if nothing else, the science would probably be more coherent than in Abrams's films, and that alone is a plus where I'm concerned. As for the rest, though, who can say?
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Old April 23 2014, 10:13 PM   #66
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some fans are having a tantrum over this and they created a petition to 'stop' Orci ..
The funny thing is, that's exactly the kind of thing that will ensure he gets the job.
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Old April 23 2014, 10:15 PM   #67
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some fans are having a tantrum over this and they created a petition to 'stop' Orci ..
The funny thing is, that's exactly the kind of thing that will ensure he gets the job.
It will likely be the most financially successful Trek movie of all-time because people will have to go eight times so they can say how much they hate it and Orci.
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Old April 24 2014, 12:27 AM   #68
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Orci also could probably direct episodes of some of the current K/O productions, to help him build up some experience.
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Old April 24 2014, 01:43 AM   #69
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Apart from helping to explain his tendency toward thin-skinned Internet tough-guy antics I personally would say Orci's politics are the least of his sins as a screenwriter. (And that STID's script isn't coherent enough to support the charge that it's peddling Trutherism.)

But I can fully understand why some people are turned off by that sort of thing, just as I can understand why Tom Cruise's persistent association with the highly-suspect Scientology brand has damaged him for some audience members. Choices like that can affect how people see you, that's part of life.
I'm mostly turned off because I feel that spreading lies like "the government was behind 9/11" is an insult to those who lost their lives and/or suffered from the event. That's just my opinion.
Yeah, "9/11 truth" isn't politics. Conspiracy theories do not = politics. And honestly, scientology, as batshit crazy as it is, makes more sense than 9/11 conspiracy theories.

That's not to say Orci can't direct a good movie. You do have to be creative to come up with this crazy bullshit.
Yeah. While many can't watch Tom Cruise because of his scientology craziness, I'm able to because he's never shoving that stuff down audiences throats, so it's easy for me to separate Tom Cruise the crazy scientology guy in real life and Tom Cruise the movie star. Orci being a Truther doesn't turn me off from watching films written by him (it's actually his hack writing that does, ZING!), but when he starts incorporating Truther stuff onto his films, that's when I have more issues.

Ironically, I still think STID is a big step above ST09 for various reasons. If I only knew Orci by that whole opening sequence on the planet, I would totally be on board with him staying on the creative team. Since I know everything else he's done with Trek and beyond... No, I'd rather not have him. I don't care if he has a "vision" or about wanting to keep things consistent with the first two films. I don't even like those films. A better film can be made without him or any of the Abrams' Bad Robot cronies.
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Old April 24 2014, 03:57 AM   #70
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Honestly, making a film for yourself and not caring what the fans think is arguably the best way to make a good film that the fans will love. If you worry too much about pleasing other people, your work won't be as honest or meaningful or courageous as it will be if you just tell the story you feel you have to tell regardless of what anyone else thinks. The biggest mistake fans make is assuming that creators are obligated to do what the fans want. The best stories are those that show us something new, something we didn't realize we wanted until we saw it.
These points cannot be overstated. Even if it turns out not to be a fan favourite, the notion that artists should "listen to the fans", in any medium, is odious and to be avoided at all costs.
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Old April 24 2014, 04:26 AM   #71
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2016 release date + first time director + Abramverse == Trek apocalypse

It's official, Paramount only sees Trek as a useful tax write off
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Old April 24 2014, 04:37 AM   #72
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Honestly, making a film for yourself and not caring what the fans think is arguably the best way to make a good film that the fans will love. If you worry too much about pleasing other people, your work won't be as honest or meaningful or courageous as it will be if you just tell the story you feel you have to tell regardless of what anyone else thinks. The biggest mistake fans make is assuming that creators are obligated to do what the fans want. The best stories are those that show us something new, something we didn't realize we wanted until we saw it.
These points cannot be overstated. Even if it turns out not to be a fan favourite, the notion that artists should "listen to the fans", in any medium, is odious and to be avoided at all costs.

On the other hand, it can be argued that "listening to the fans" can be another way of saying that you're doing justice to the spirit of the source material. Not always, of course. But I've seen instances of writers/directors saying essentially that they didn't give a damn what the fans thought - and it was ultimately to the detriment of those films.
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Old April 24 2014, 05:05 AM   #73
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Orci feels like such a lazy uninspired choice. I'm not a fan of his writing and putting him in charge of Trek doesn't make me feel like it's heading in a great direction.
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Old April 24 2014, 05:16 AM   #74
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Like Nicholas Meyer? Who had only directed "Time After Time" prior to his directorial debut with the consensus "best" movie in the Star Trek Franchise?

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Sorry- I misspoke. Meant that to read "Trek" Debut. "Time After Time": wasn't sure it was real until I looked on IMDB. My point is-he not only had VERY limited directing experience, but at the time knew NOTHING about Trek. He did OK. Orci could do great, he's been around productions, and I'm sure he's savvy enough to surround himself with guys who know what they're doing, and unlike Shatner won't assume he is always right.

Don't see how this would be bad for Trek, and it could be great.
Meyer first established his reputation as a writer. Time After Time was a big success critically and financially, I saw it when it was released. He was approached for TWOK because of it. He watched the episodes, watched TMP, read the previous script drafts, then wrote up his own script incorporating elements from the existing ones. He learned Star Trek through a crash course.
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Old April 24 2014, 05:27 AM   #75
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I doubt Time After Time had a budget comparable to a modern Star trek movie even with inflation taken into account. I don't know if you gift first-time directors with movies this large in scope. Look at what happened to Transcendence.
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