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Old April 22 2014, 04:54 PM   #31
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Re: Star Trek Secret Voyage: Rise of the Gongdea

A much stronger effort this time than in part 1, as it should be. A lot less needless multiple cuts when 1 extended shot should suffice (sorry but those in part 1 made me tear my hair out).

Tyrone Loukas as Mercer is growing on me, though I'm truly puzzled why you didn't take advantage of the guy's obvious buff physique and have him engage in a great fistfight with one of the Gong'dea clones.

Dr. Krenaire and T'vas are really appealing, both physically and as characters (though you might consider asking one of them to change their hair styles, since both have long raven hair. I can easily picture Krenaire adopting a Helen Noel do). The andorian still seems to speak too much like a Vulcan would, if she returns in part 3 some effort should be allocated to make her more distinct both racially and how she complements her captain.

The level of violence is puzzling. Mercer vaporizes the attacking Gong'dea instead of simply stunning him. Jones seems unconcerned with doing the same to his fellow shipmates but he has his phaser on stun setting when he uses it on Mercer, then becomes all melodramatic about not being a murderer (?!?)...

The Gimtao and the Gong'dea, now that this planet's story seems concluded, still feel underdevelopped as concepts.

I have to admit you almost lost me at the 28 min. mark when you had T'vas spouting TNG-type technobabble. TOS never resorted to this idiotic fake futurespeak, please try to avoid this in your next installments....

Despite my quibbles, I enjoyed the energy and characters in your film. With stronger scripts and clear character motivations, you could have a winner of a series...
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Old April 23 2014, 04:01 AM   #32
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Re: Star Trek Secret Voyage: Rise of the Gongdea

The Andorian woman is a Starfleet brat and spoke like one. She wasn't raised on the Andorian home world, and I thought she spoke like a Starfleet brat.
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Old April 23 2014, 05:39 AM   #33
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Mercer does fight the Gongdea in the beginning.
The phaser was already set on highest setting from end of first episode.
Jones kills Dubois in first episode out of panic, only stuns Mercer because he's a close family friend.
Gongdea and Gimtoa may not be gone for good...
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Old April 23 2014, 06:04 AM   #34
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I don't have time for my usual in-depth analysis tonight but I wanted to get some comments out while the discussion is still going on:

--Lousy shot composition -- the captain's face is cut off at his eyebrows in several shots. Better attention could have been paid to framing some of these shots.

--Sound is all over the place, and not in a good way.

--Too much purple.

--Why is the doctor buried on the planet? Why waste time with it, let alone not bring him back to the ship?

--The opening fight sequence is edited poorly. Choppy and without any sense of rhythm or pacing.

--Color is completely nonsensical. Sometimes there's a greenish hue, sometimes it's "normal." Not sure I understand how or why this is.

The shooting location in the desert is spectacular. The jerky camerawork is unsettling, but the location is great.

The Anovos uniforms look great.

Some care was taken it seems to have the actress playing T'Vas make her seem like the Vulcans we are used to seeing, however the Andorian Unara comes across as just as human as everyone else.

Overall, a solid effort. There's definitely room for improvement, but these guys are on the right track.
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Old April 23 2014, 07:06 AM   #35
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No anovos uniforms. The color shift is used as an artistic attempt to show Gongdea control on planet, then they release control demanding the Kanite and deadline.
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Old April 24 2014, 04:33 AM   #36
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Some care was taken it seems to have the actress playing T'Vas make her seem like the Vulcans we are used to seeing, however the Andorian Unara comes across as just as human as everyone else.
Again, the Andorian woman's father was a Starfleet Captain. She was not raised on Andoria, but in Starfleet. And in Enterprise, at least, I felt the Andorians in spite of their appearances, did come across as more like humans than Vulcans. Anyway, the girl wasn't Vulcan but Romulan.

I live in NYC. Guess what? People raised here have parents and grandparents from every corner of this planet. (OK, some of us, like me, go back further than that, our grandparents were born here). The UN had nothing on the NYC population in terms of diversity. But one thing you will hear echoed from every group of NY-born kids... whether their parents came from the American west or south (black or white), Asia, Africa, the West Indies, South America, Micronesia, Australia, New Zealand, Europe, the Middle East... We are all New Yorkers. And we can spot each other when we are out of town, in spite of our outward absolute diversity. And by the way, we have manners, they are just different than those in Middle America.

I believe growing up in the diversity of Starfleet would have similar effects. Starfleet kids would be proud of their family background, but they'd be Starfleet first... and their behavior would be Starfleet.

The Romulan girl wasn't Starfleet, so she, appropriately, didn't 'act' Starfleet.

I am certainly not saying this show can't afford technical improvements. The sound quality of Part 2 was head and shoulders above Part 1. I also couldn't understand how the Gongdea, using weapons similar in quality to our weapons now, could destroy a group that could slip between dimensions. I suspect the 'ruins' aren't really ruins... well, I hope so.

But this was one fine fan film.
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Old May 22 2014, 04:19 PM   #37
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Planning is underway on Secret Voyages next adventure. Although the cast returned last year to complete scenes for the second installment that was shot a year earlier, this will be our first full adventure shot from scratch in 3 years. As of this posting, the cast is ready to return and begin flushing our their charactures in greater depth. Sean collet (Dr. Cage) who was also a co producer with his production company foxx productions has agreed to take over as director to bring the next adventure to life. The premise of Episode 03 takes our crew to the world of Thalara where anything can be bought for a price. The newly gathered crew must begin to work together and navigate the challenges they will face from the planets inhabitants and the power hungry phycopath that rules.The story promises many surprises and charactures old and new from within the STAR TREK cannon.
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Old May 22 2014, 08:10 PM   #38
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http://youtu.be/MqHaZrqaz4Y
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Old May 22 2014, 09:11 PM   #39
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Old May 22 2014, 09:22 PM   #40
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Really, REALLY nice planet model. But I don't understand why the shuttlecraft is all blurred up at the end of the scene...
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Old May 22 2014, 11:19 PM   #41
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It's called motion blur?
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Old May 22 2014, 11:34 PM   #42
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I think he means it looks like slowed down-footage with frame averaging applied.
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Old May 24 2014, 04:27 PM   #43
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What camera setup for the live action shots?

btw, welcome to fan film criticism 101, they mean well, so don't take it personally. Wait till they start quoting Star Fleet regulations at you. :-)!
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Old May 24 2014, 04:46 PM   #44
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attention to the lovely scenery. And yes. I am talking about the scenery, not the actors. What a great location.
Since my wife doesn't read trek related BBSs, I can be more forthright.
I think the Andorean female crew member is hot.
If you've seen one dessert, you've pretty much seen them all.

I seem to recall Las Vegas is filled with lots of beautiful women who have acting experience.
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Old May 24 2014, 05:20 PM   #45
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I'm holding out for the science officer myself!
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