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Old April 22 2014, 10:32 PM   #31
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

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Science is not set in stone and things that science once believed/disbelieved can later be found to be innacurate.
I hear this a lot and it's an misunderstanding of how science works. Science is based on evidence and as the amount of evidence builds that chance of being wrong diminishes accordingly. Yes science can never be 100% accurate, there is a point when the preponderance of evidence is so great that by denying it means you are denying reality.

And Science has never done a complete 180 on anything. That's a myth.
Yes but can't scientist come up with a theory that they believe to be correct but through observation/evidence later turns out to be wrong?

It might be accurate to say science has never done a 180 on a scientific fact but have they ever done a 180 an a scientific theory/hypthosis?
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Old April 22 2014, 10:35 PM   #32
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

So 51% said "not confident" to the question

"The Universe began 13.8bn years ago, with a big bang"
That just shows there smart, because only limited confidence should be placed in 13.8 billion years, as the current best estimate (as of 2013) of the age of the oldest stars in the universe is 14.6 billion years.
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Old April 22 2014, 10:40 PM   #33
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

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Yes but can't scientist come up with a theory that they believe to be correct but through observation/evidence later turns out to be wrong?
In the past when scientific knowledge was nonexistent but it would be nearly impossible now. That's how much progress we've made in the last 400 years. The last remaining building block of human knowledge is the Grand Unified theory. After that it's basically filling out the details.

It might be accurate to say science has never done a 180 on a scientific fact but have they ever done a 180 an a scientific theory/hypthosis?
Hypothesis are overturned all the time but theories especially major theories like General Relativity and Evolution not likely.
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Old April 22 2014, 10:43 PM   #34
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So 51% said "not confident" to the question

"The Universe began 13.8bn years ago, with a big bang"
That just shows there smart, because only limited confidence should be placed in 13.8 billion years, as the current best estimate (as of 2013) of the age of the oldest stars in the universe is 14.6 billion years.
I doubt people stated "no confidence" because of a disagreement with age especially when other studies have shown that America literacy in science is somewhere between awful and comatose.
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Old April 22 2014, 11:35 PM   #35
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The last remaining building block of human knowledge is the Grand Unified theory. After that it's basically filling out the details.
Be careful with statements like that. I remember a physics professor once saying that in the late 1800's and early 1900's students were being discouraged from pursuing a career in the field because it was all but wrapped up. They just needed to figure out the speed of the luminiferous ether and a couple of other things and then the field of physics would be done (sound familiar?). They would have it all figured out. Then the crazy ideas of relativity and quantum mechanics came along and screwed that all up.
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Old April 23 2014, 10:30 AM   #36
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

re: evolution being a theory or a fact, Stephen J Gould summed it up nicely.

Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered.
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Old April 23 2014, 11:09 AM   #37
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

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But with the question as asked

"The Universe began 13.8bn years ago, with a big bang"...
...First, the way it is worded strongly implies a God-less creation, at least to someone who does believe that God had a hand in it.
You obviously suffer from quite the persecution complex to take from "The Universe began 13.8bn years ago, with a big bang" any implication about god.
Hardly rationally-minded of you, farmkid.

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re: evolution being a theory or a fact, Stephen J Gould [...]
Stephen J Gould is not a scientist, but a propagandist.
His most popular book, "The mismeasure of man" contains so many scientific mistakes - most, both major and obvious - it's just ridiculous. But it's well-composed PC propaganda, so it gets a pass.
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Old April 23 2014, 11:28 AM   #38
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Propagandist or not, I'm pretty sure paleontologists and biologists are scientists. He's spot on about facts and theories, anyway.
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Old April 23 2014, 11:29 AM   #39
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Humans are the only species where the stupid are allowed to breed.
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Old April 23 2014, 12:02 PM   #40
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Humans are the only species where the stupid are allowed to breed.
Homo sapiens should just follow the good example set by sponges and pandas and introduce more plutonium in our diets.
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Old April 23 2014, 01:25 PM   #41
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Humans are the only species where the stupid are allowed to breed.
Hardly.
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Old April 23 2014, 04:00 PM   #42
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

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Be careful with statements like that. I remember a physics professor once saying that in the late 1800's and early 1900's students were being discouraged from pursuing a career in the field because it was all but wrapped up. They just needed to figure out the speed of the luminiferous ether and a couple of other things and then the field of physics would be done (sound familiar?). They would have it all figured out. Then the crazy ideas of relativity and quantum mechanics came along and screwed that all up.
And the professor was basically right. If evidence had proven the existence of ether than physics was basically done but that didn't happen and science BRANCHED OUT. We didn't abandoned Newtonian physics, additions were made. What we didn't do is abandoned Newtonian physics. Creationist basically want to throw out the entire book of science and that will never happen.
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Old April 23 2014, 07:21 PM   #43
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Sigh, America proves once again that it is special and not in a good way.
The good news is that confidence (or not) in evolution or the Big Bang will have virtually no effect on how most people live their everyday lives.

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Old April 23 2014, 08:03 PM   #44
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Re: 51% of Americans don't accept the Big Bang theory

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Sigh, America proves once again that it is special and not in a good way.
The good news is that confidence (or not) in evolution or the Big Bang will have virtually no effect on how most people live their everyday lives.

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that's because if scientist went away and took the science away with them from everybody else there'd be a riot!
Just after half the population died from illness and teh other tries to figure out how not to starve to death in a week.
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Old April 23 2014, 11:33 PM   #45
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The good news is that confidence (or not) in evolution or the Big Bang will have virtually no effect on how most people live their everyday lives.
that's because if scientist went away and took the science away with them from everybody else there'd be a riot!
I don't get it. Are you saying there will be riots if enough people don't believe in the Big Bang?

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