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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old April 22 2014, 03:09 AM   #181
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Re: Was the Abramsverse already an alternate universe?

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Maybe just maybe this is proof that the Abramsverse was in fact already a quantum reality of its own with miniscule differences from the prime reality
It probably wasn't intended as such, going by statements made by the writer of the comic.
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Old April 22 2014, 09:49 AM   #182
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Re: Was the Abramsverse already an alternate universe?

Or according to IDW's website timeline, which has a big sideways Y on it: http://www.idwpublishing.com/startrek/timelines.php

Those comics have some pretty big continuity issues. Admittedly, the biggest problems are caused by late changes to the movies (like Countdown's version of the supernova, where Romulus was destroyed even before Spock launched, or Kirk having zero crew deaths prior to ID, or the one-year gap at the end being ignored in the early post-ID comics) but the many many art problems, like the Enterprise shifting between it's new and old movie incarnations at random (and for one frame, becoming the Enterprise-D), or TNG computer graphics being used (sometimes on alien ships), or background characters having randomly changing skin tones, are avoidable. They very much need someone a little more familiar with the source material vetting the art at an early stage.

They do occasionally do something completely awesome, like using the old Star Trek Maps system layouts in the Nero comic, or a Botany Bay cutaway from the USS Enterprise Officer's Manual on the cover of Khan.
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Old April 24 2014, 12:54 AM   #183
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Re: Was the Abramsverse already an alternate universe?

I'd like to know who was the genius who decided that in The Return of the Archons "Cornelius Landru" was the creator of Landru, that human descendants of the Archon crew populated Beta III, and that the Archon had mid-23rd century Abramsverse nacelles. Cause the first 2 things can definitely not be chalked up to simple art errors/license. :brick wall:
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Old April 24 2014, 01:39 AM   #184
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Well, Return of the Archons was one of IDW's first attempts at diverging from the original episode in a significant way. Obviously they took things too far.
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Old April 24 2014, 05:17 PM   #185
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I liked the idea that the USS Archon set up Landru, and the visual of the NX-class saucer sticking up out of the ground at the end was excellent.

Reconciling it with the original, though... maybe Spock Prime just... uhhh... didn't notice the big cave with the wreckage of the Archon. Walked right past it.
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Old April 24 2014, 11:57 PM   #186
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I prefer the novelverse's interpretation that the Archon was a Daedalus class vessel and that the Betans are native to Beta III and not humans because as far as I can tell, it actually fits the episode.
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Old May 7 2014, 11:36 PM   #187
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Re: Was the Abramsverse already an alternate universe?

The destruction of Praxis was a significant event in ST:VI, much later than the JJ timeline. Yet Praxis is destroyed in ST:JJ2 The ReWrath of Khan.

After the first movie I was happy to accept the so called rift in the timeline, which would propel the Trek canon in an entirely different direction. Then they go on to remake Wrath of Khan. I nearly cried leaving the theatre that day. Upset and angry that they would 'borrow' the best parts of Roddenberry's canon and discarding the rest.

I felt the same way about the remake of Clash Of Titans when Harryhausens Bibo was relegated to the trash bin. Such irreverence!
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Old May 8 2014, 12:52 AM   #188
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Re: Was the Abramsverse already an alternate universe?

*yawn*
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Old May 8 2014, 12:55 AM   #189
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Then they go on to remake Wrath of Khan.
STID is no more a remake of The Wrath of Khan than The Wolverine is a remake of Diamonds are Forever.
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Old May 8 2014, 01:08 AM   #190
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*yawn*
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Old May 8 2014, 01:27 AM   #191
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Seconded.
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Old May 8 2014, 01:32 AM   #192
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Re: Was the Abramsverse already an alternate universe?

Whatever the filmmakers intentions, I personally regard these two films as having nothing to do with any of the previous incarnations of Trek, except for Voyager. Honestly though, I do wish the filmmakers had done a simple hard reboot. It might have upset fans, but I think it would have been for the better to let this incarnation truly stand on its own rather than go with all this alternate timeline business and Nimoy's fan-service appearance.
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Old May 8 2014, 02:29 AM   #193
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Whatever the filmmakers intentions, I personally regard these two films as having nothing to do with any of the previous incarnations of Trek, except for Voyager.
Okay, I'm curious: the exception being made for Voyager, because... ?
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Old May 8 2014, 03:45 AM   #194
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Whatever the filmmakers intentions, I personally regard these two films as having nothing to do with any of the previous incarnations of Trek, except for Voyager.
Okay, I'm curious: the exception being made for Voyager, because... ?
Only in that universe/timeline could there be such a collection of bland and insufferable characters. Doc and Seven excepted, Prophets rest their souls.
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Old May 8 2014, 02:04 PM   #195
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Damn, I was hoping it was a quantum slipstream reference.
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