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Old August 1 2007, 05:58 PM   #1
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Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

After making a post in the thread concerning Picard and Guinan's relationship it got me to thinking who gave the best advice. I honestly don't know, but it did seem that Guinan set people back on the right path when they needed it. Thoughts anyone?
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Old August 1 2007, 07:28 PM   #2
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

I gotta go along and say Guinan was better. Without her empathy, Troi was useless and spent most of her time on the bridge sensing stuff. Guinan was way better.
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Old August 1 2007, 07:41 PM   #3
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

I don't think Guinan was a counselor. She offered advice, often unsolicited. Counselors don't do that.
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Old August 1 2007, 08:05 PM   #4
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Yes, a counsellor is usually there to listen...like a regular psychologist. I would think. Means Troi had no business on the bridge, but that's another story.

Anyway, as to advice, I think Guinan's was better because she could just opine and tell you what she thought about whatever situation. She was no-one's therapist.
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Old August 1 2007, 09:18 PM   #5
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

From what we were shown, Guinan would seem to have been better at her job than Troi ever was, but I think that's more the writer's fault than what was 'actually' the case on the ship. People will spill their heart to a bartender because of anonymity, and for that same reason the bartender will dispense advice, but a trained counselor is usually the way to go.
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Old August 1 2007, 09:34 PM   #6
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Troi's counselling consisted of saying 'what do you think?'. bleh.
Guinan made you think. hmmm.
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Old August 1 2007, 10:33 PM   #7
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Counselor Troi did mostly emotional stuff with people.

Guinan, as WillsBabe said, was more of advice.

But to be honest I haven't seen enough of Guinan to make a judgement.
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Old August 1 2007, 10:44 PM   #8
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

WillsBabe said:
I don't think Guinan was a counselor. She offered advice, often unsolicited. Counselors don't do that.
very true
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Old August 2 2007, 01:06 AM   #9
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Guinan. I would actually listen to her because she wasnt attractive whereas with Troi I would be looking at her body when she is talking to me.
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Old August 2 2007, 02:47 AM   #10
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Guinan was the only real counselor. Troi seemed more interested in being a human lie detector on the bridge (when she wasn't sensing "great pain" or "joy").
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Old August 2 2007, 01:27 PM   #11
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Troi's character was just an 80s fad of prominent therapy; wheras Guinan was time tested trust in your bar tender and you'll be ok thinking. Gotta be Guinan, instead of appearing in therapy, you're enjoying a chat and getting advice with a friend.
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Old August 2 2007, 02:10 PM   #12
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Guinan by far was the better counselor. She never used what Q so eloquently described as the "pedantic psychobabble" that Troi always retreated to when things got weird.
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Old August 2 2007, 04:50 PM   #13
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Snaploud said:
Guinan was the only real counselor. Troi seemed more interested in being a human lie detector on the bridge (when she wasn't sensing "great pain" or "joy").
Right on. She basically stands there and tells Picard: "I sense a great deal of apprehension. They could be deceiving us but I can't say."

Troi asks how you feel. Guinan makes you hash out what's bothering you and helps you to find direction as to what to do next.
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Old August 2 2007, 11:32 PM   #14
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

Guinan > Troi.
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Old August 3 2007, 02:11 AM   #15
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Re: Who was a better counselor, Troi or Guinan?

omnirad said:
Troi's counselling consisted of saying 'what do you think?'. bleh.
Guinan made you think. hmmm.
Very True......good point!!!
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