RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,070
Posts: 5,432,306
Members: 24,926
Currently online: 433
Newest member: wod_freak

TrekToday headlines

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Yelchin In New Indie Thriller
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Saldana In The Book of Life
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Cracked’s New Sci-Fi Satire
By: T'Bonz on Oct 16

Beltran Introduces Shakespeare To Theater Group
By: T'Bonz on Oct 16

Burton To Be Honored at Facets Boo! Bash
By: T'Bonz on Oct 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Misc. Star Trek > Future of Trek

Future of Trek Discussion of future Trek projects.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 2 2014, 06:56 AM   #1
ngc7293
Commander
 
ngc7293's Avatar
 
Location: Michigan
'Prototrek'

I hate to steal Thread names but it was easier than say "Cochran Era Trek" which didn't quite fit.

Anyway, there is a Trek thread in of all places the Pathfinder RPG Forum. The guy who came up with this thread said he didn't like Enterprise and wanted something that came before it and didn't have all the Antigravity and other things that keep you from being smashed to the back of the ship (SIF I believe is one of them). He had this idea of people wearing armor as they went to warp.

A friend of mine once said he hated that trek ships were so big inside and that it would be nice if they were more like submarines.

I got a reply that the reason for that was so cameras could move around (trek sets don't have ceilings) and the claustrophobia went out with the 50's and 60's.

I just wanted to know what people thought of a trek that took place say after Cochran's first flight but before Enterprise.

Also what about a hero ship that was more claustrophobic in some way. There could be a compromise to have open spaces too. Maybe it could be like the Oberth.
__________________
Judy Waxhorn: "Lighbulb is shot can't see a damn thing. Prepare to trash the ship. LaForge, disable the warp-core protection system. Troi, take the helm. All hands, prepare for DRAMA."
ngc7293 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 07:21 AM   #2
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: 'Prototrek'

If it takes place after Cochran but before Enterprise, what other than warp drive (which nearly every space sci-fi film features in some fashion) would identify it as having anything to do with Star Trek?
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 07:42 AM   #3
Timewalker
Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady
 
Timewalker's Avatar
 
Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.
Re: 'Prototrek'

Vulcans.
__________________
"Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

For some great Original Series fanfic, check out the Valjiir Continuum!
Timewalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 08:34 AM   #4
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: 'Prototrek'

Until Cochrane pulls out his pistol and shoots them.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 04:36 PM   #5
Timewalker
Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady
 
Timewalker's Avatar
 
Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.
Re: 'Prototrek'

I actually did see that episode of Enterprise. Such a series would have to be the rise of the Mirror Universe, or else it would be really short.
__________________
"Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

For some great Original Series fanfic, check out the Valjiir Continuum!
Timewalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 04:38 PM   #6
Oso Blanco
Commodore
 
Oso Blanco's Avatar
 
Location: Berlin, Germany
Re: 'Prototrek'

Star Trek in a submarine-like space craft = boring. Do you really want to see such a claustrophobic show on a regular basis?
__________________
Time is the fire in which we burn
Oso Blanco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 04:43 PM   #7
Shon T'Hara
Lieutenant Commander
 
Shon T'Hara's Avatar
 
Re: 'Prototrek'

Prototrek should be set before Cochrane.Make it about the dorks in the stupid padded armor who snort coke through straws. If you need something to tie it to the earlier series, the main character could be a Pakled who crashes on Earth and disguises himself as a soldier until he can find the stuff to make his ship go.
__________________
My blog | Goodreads
What will the producers of Star Trek: Voyager do now that Tupac is dead?
-Lucy A. Snyder
Shon T'Hara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 05:11 PM   #8
Oso Blanco
Commodore
 
Oso Blanco's Avatar
 
Location: Berlin, Germany
Re: 'Prototrek'

Who wants to see more prequels anyway ... isn't this part of the board supposed to be about the "Future of Trek"?
__________________
Time is the fire in which we burn
Oso Blanco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 05:45 PM   #9
F. King Daniel
Admiral
 
F. King Daniel's Avatar
 
Location: King Daniel Into Darkness
Re: 'Prototrek'

Time is relative. Tomorrow is yesterday. The future is now.

I don't think there's much appeal in a pre-ENT series. Take away all the Trekkie stuff like saucers, nacelles, phasers, transporters and aliens and it might as well be called NASA 2030 and ditch the Trek connection and all it's snarled continuity altogether.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
F. King Daniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 06:04 PM   #10
HIjol
Fleet Captain
 
HIjol's Avatar
 
Location: A Circle Has No End
Re: 'Prototrek'

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Time is relative. Tomorrow is yesterday. The future is now.

I don't think there's much appeal in a pre-ENT series. Take away all the Trekkie stuff like saucers, nacelles, phasers, transporters and aliens and it might as well be called NASA 2030 and ditch the Trek connection and all it's snarled continuity altogether.
...he LIKES it...hey, Mikey!

...you, King Daniel, may have just hit upon something...wonderful

<HIjol gotta Grok this one in Fullness...hmmmmmm>
__________________
"If man is to survive, he will delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear" Gene Roddenberry
HIjol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 06:30 PM   #11
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: 'Prototrek'

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Time is relative. Tomorrow is yesterday. The future is now.
For years, I've thought the title of a Carpenters song would be great for a Star Trek episode-- "Yesterday Once More". I've no idea what it would be about, but time travel is probably involved somehow.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 10:11 PM   #12
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 'Prototrek'

Melakon wrote:
For years, I've thought the title of a Carpenters song would be great for a Star Trek episode-- "Yesterday Once More". I've no idea what it would be about, but time travel is probably involved somehow.
I like this!

Oso Blanco wrote: View Post
Star Trek in a submarine-like space craft = boring. Do you really want to see such a claustrophobic show on a regular basis?
You know? Yes. Done right, I'd watch the heck out of such a show.

One thing Trek could have used a lot more of IMO -- and this goes for all versions -- is a sense of the genuine and constant hostility of space, "disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence" in Bones' famous phrase. TOS didn't really have the budget for space suits and such so I can see why they went the way they did; but the cushy three-star-hotel feel of the Enterprise-D, while understandably meant to convey a more advanced setting than TOS, was all wrong for this.

I'm a big fan of submarine dramas, which for hostility of surrounding environment -- and the necessity of devoting every square inch of space to multiply-redundant systems that keep you alive -- are a pretty useful analogue for space travel. If you're in a ship built for deep-space operations, cramped quarters should never not be a major element of the ship sets, because no matter how much your technology advances, you're still going to want to expend the maximum possible amount of power on your drives, shielding and environmental systems. Comfy living quarters will always be a second-tier priority.

Really committing to that sense of things provides an ever-present plot mechanism, because in a really hostile medium, the smallest mistake or malfunction can kill you, your resupply and refuelling concerns are constant (and can drive any number of stories), the sense of exploration itself as a dangerous... enterprise where your greatest enemy is your environment comes to the forefront.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now   Reply With Quote
Old April 2 2014, 11:58 PM   #13
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: 'Prototrek'

The best submarine film I've ever seen is the German film Das Boot (The Boat), though I've only seen the English dubbed version.

There's action, drama, heroics, danger, and it's gripping. A claustrophobic Star Trek done like that would be intense.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 3 2014, 12:12 AM   #14
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 'Prototrek'

Das Boot is of course the great of greats. There's also of course Crimson Tide, U-571 (despite the offensive Yankifying of the crew ), Below, Run Silent, Run Deep... be great to see sci-fi stories executed with that kind of feel.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now   Reply With Quote
Old April 3 2014, 12:32 AM   #15
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: 'Prototrek'

Shoot, do a Trekified submarine movie/series synthesized of elements from those films above. You don't have to have all that danger/heroics stuff every episode. Deep space exploration in a sardine can, meeting alien races who range from primitives to advanced technology. It would be like a modern sub discovering Tahiti or the Chinese 500 years ago.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:41 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.