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Old March 30 2014, 11:25 PM   #46
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

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"To become a thing is to know a thing. To assume its form is to begin to understand its existence." - the Female Changeling to Odo

Odo can't get a human face quite right, because he hadn't full understanding of humans.
He somehow manages to have "full understanding" of every other object in the entire universe -- rodents, birds, potted plants, paintings -- just not humans.
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Old March 31 2014, 12:15 AM   #47
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

I always figured that to other rats and birds, Odo looked as fake as he does as a human.
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Old April 2 2014, 02:07 AM   #48
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

I reckon the first 3 MU epsiodes were good, but then we go those other 2 episodes,waste of time.
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Old April 2 2014, 03:35 AM   #49
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

I loved DS9 from start to finish. I enjoyed the religious stuff, the political stuff, the Klingon stuff and the Dominion stuff. What I hated was the Odo/Kira unrequited love and romance. It felt very out-of-character for him, especially when he let his angst impact his performance as head of security.

I never bought into that.
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Old April 7 2014, 12:58 AM   #50
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I hated what they did to dukat in season 7. I especially the evil eyes. It almost looked funny.
The CGI effects look very dated too.
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Old April 7 2014, 01:30 AM   #51
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

I don't hate Ezri. I would've prefered that Jadzia had just been transfered off the ship, but you know how it is ... when an actress tells STAR TREK she wants off the show, the producers don't take to it kindly. It would've played, I feel, for Bashir to have found some way to keep Dax alive and conscious in a beaker full of bubbling fluid with electrodes connected to it, so the worm ... thingy ... could remain on the show and talk to the cast and everybody else. It might've even been able to plug in, this way, to DS9's computer and take over certain functions. Of course, having the slug in the body of a young woman offered up more interesting possibilities ... but Dax by itself would've been interesting to get to know.
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Old April 7 2014, 03:00 AM   #52
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

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I don't hate Ezri. I would've prefered that Jadzia had just been transfered off the ship, but you know how it is ... when an actress tells STAR TREK she wants off the show, the producers don't take to it kindly. It would've played, I feel, for Bashir to have found some way to keep Dax alive and conscious in a beaker full of bubbling fluid with electrodes connected to it, so the worm ... thingy ... could remain on the show and talk to the cast and everybody else. It might've even been able to plug in, this way, to DS9's computer and take over certain functions. Of course, having the slug in the body of a young woman offered up more interesting possibilities ... but Dax by itself would've been interesting to get to know.
What we need is that weird Ezri obsessed kid from the Star Trek.com boards to comment on this thread. You remember him 2takes?
Going back to the OP I agree that the Odo - Kira thing always felt forced to me and that it was idiotic for them to only have runabouts for the first few seasons. As for Sisko being conceived due to the influence of the Prophets that made perfect sense to me. The Prophets could see all events at all times. They knew what was needed to save Bajor and they made it happen. It did not cheapen Sisko's actions in any way.

Ziyal annoyed me. Good riddance.
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Old April 7 2014, 10:35 AM   #53
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

Of course I still remember that kid - in fact, I still talk to him, occassionally. He's since entered a relationship with a real, live Human female. In relation to his crush on Ezri, he had this to say about his new love ...

"Now, there's a change of pace: A fantasy I can taste!"
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Old April 7 2014, 01:33 PM   #54
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I once read speculation from Odo in a novel that the Founders engineered him with limits where humanoid faces were concerned so that he would forever know he wasn't one of them. That doesn't stand up well with Laas, though..
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Old April 7 2014, 05:42 PM   #55
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I once read speculation from Odo in a novel that the Founders engineered him with limits where humanoid faces were concerned so that he would forever know he wasn't one of them. That doesn't stand up well with Laas, though..
That's pretty a pretty good retcon. It would explain why the other Founders can do faces and impersonate anyone, but that Odo cannot.

I thought Laas's face was sort of undefined like Odos, just more in the direction of whoever he ended up with:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Laas
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Old April 7 2014, 08:20 PM   #56
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I wasn't at all happy with Sisko's going off to be one with the Prophets and leaving his wife and kids behind. Even Sisko's line that he will return didn't work for me as he said it could be in the past (in keeping with the non-linear ways of the Wormhole aliens).

I didn't like Jake and Mardah breaking up. The station commander/Emissary's son dating a sexy dabo girl could have been an interesting character development for Jake (and plenty of worry for Sisko).

For me, the worst was not seeing Bajor being admitted into the Federation at the end of the series, the primary reason why DS9 was established not fulfilled, IMO.
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Old April 7 2014, 08:48 PM   #57
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For me, the worst was not seeing Bajor being admitted into the Federation at the end of the series, the primary reason why DS9 was established not fulfilled, IMO.
... AGREED!!!
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Old April 7 2014, 11:05 PM   #58
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If they had done episodes after the war it would have made sense to see Bajor join the Federation, but it wouldn't have made sense to just tack it on at the end of the episode.

And even though Bajor had not joined the Federation they were clearly in harmony with the Federation and on course to join it very soon.

Laas's face looked undefined because he was trying to approximate Odo's choice of appearance to make him happy. As for Odo's face, I think that was more a makeup decision than a story decision. Can't say someone's a shapeshifter and have him just look human, he has to look like a smoothed over humanoid. Then they couldn't really make him look more and more human as the series went on because that makeup was his character's visual identity.
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Old April 7 2014, 11:42 PM   #59
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^Laas says directly that he could not satisfactorily imitate humanoid features.
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Old April 8 2014, 01:32 AM   #60
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^Laas says directly that he could not satisfactorily imitate humanoid features.
On looking a photo, he seems very Odo-esque in limitations. I was thinking of another actor/make-up job, I think.
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