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Old April 1 2014, 12:44 AM   #3991
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Ms. Marvel.

Although that was mostly about Mar-Vell's negabands and not his "original" biology.
I think if any character's origin needs some serious re-inventing, it's Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers.

For those who don't know, here's the video cliff notes



Yikes!

So yeah, I'm totally on board for Skye as Captain Marvel. Worse case scenario: it doesn't work and she's written out of the show. best case scenario: they pull it off and she gets her own movie.

I also have no problem with them skipping right past Mar-vell because he only exists to mess with DC comics. He's not interesting and he's not popular.



Of course it's all academic if this isn't at all where they're going with this.
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Old April 1 2014, 12:57 AM   #3992
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If Skye was part Kree or something (her 0-8-4 status is still officially unexplained), then do y'all suppose that A. her Kree genetics aren't sufficient to give her superhuman abilities and are therefore pointless B. she does in fact have superhuman abilities and can be the team's muscle or C. something else? It occurred to me that if Skye does indeed have superhuman abilities, then what would be the point of "Agents" of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Cause this isn't Avengers.
I think she's Kree. I think this is the reason why the medicine helped her so quickly.

As to her abilities, who knows, maybe they will be minor or maybe they are part of what makes her a great hacker.

In any case, it seems like a great way to do a good version of the Dark Phoenix saga.
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Old April 1 2014, 01:03 AM   #3993
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Clever although I prefer more direct adaptations.
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Old April 1 2014, 05:52 AM   #3994
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Who knows, maybe they'll make Skye Squirrel Girl.
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Old April 1 2014, 06:21 AM   #3995
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Fitz and Simmons and the hospital scanned and drew all kinds of fluids and did every test known to mankind on Skye. If there was anything non-human about her, it would have shown up as an anomaly. She pretty much has to be base-line human, with probably some recessive gene that won't be seen unless they completely analyse her genome.

A recessive gene could be pink Kree. She could have been some kind of genetic experiment by the Kree, but this would need a huge backstory that goes completely away from the comics.

While I get what Christopher and others say about not necessarily having to stay close to the comics, it needs saying that Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America have stayed as true to the comics as possible, given that the movies updated their origins about 50 years. Without any hard information, I think it is much less likely that Ms Marvel's or Captain Marvel's origins will be completely altered, especially since Carol Danvers is regularly portrayed in the cartoons.
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Old April 1 2014, 07:33 AM   #3996
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Unless there's a biotechnologicintellect element to her composition now benignly nannying the girl, laughing at the primitive human technology trying to catalogue her being and only sending back vital data that won't threaten the hairless apes into thinking maybe they should kill Skye.

Ditto for Coulson.
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Old April 1 2014, 11:36 AM   #3997
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While I get what Christopher and others say about not necessarily having to stay close to the comics, it needs saying that Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America have stayed as true to the comics as possible, given that the movies updated their origins about 50 years. Without any hard information, I think it is much less likely that Ms Marvel's or Captain Marvel's origins will be completely altered, especially since Carol Danvers is regularly portrayed in the cartoons.
As I pointed out, you really can't be faithful to Ms. Marvel's comic legacy because it's not clear cut. It's horrendously convoluted and seriously messed up in certain aspects.

The idea that she's a human/Kree mix (before, or after they injected her, either way---assuming it's Skye) is all they really need as a starting point. If they want to introduce Mar-vell there's no reason he can't show up later.

As for the other heroes, while yes they managed to stay close the the spirit of the origin stories, there were a number of embellishments to make them work within the plot.
IIRC in the original comics, Stark wasn't held by the Ten Rings at the behest of Obadiah, he was held by some random Asian bad guy. Indeed, Obadiah in the comics was a rival, not a long-term family friend.

The Hulk origin is almost as well known as Superman's & Spider-man's, so they wisely gave it only a cursory showing...except it was the version people are more familiar with is the TV show's "scientist tests serum on himself, Hulks out" verson, not the original comic book's "scientist gets caught in a radiation blast from a bomb test." For bonus points, they even tied it into Cap's origin. Speaking of: -

Cap's origin is the slightly more involved reconnected version from the 60's, not the original 40's one. Thor's origin originally had him quantum leap (Swiss cheese memory and all) into a disabled human doctor's head rather than being exiled bodily from Asgard. Also, mew mew was disguised as a walking stick, not sitting in a crater where comic book writers could have cameos and Jane Foster was a nurse, not an astrophysicist.

By contrast, "Ms. Marvel's" origin is much less clear cut because there's been something like four characters with that monkier, and Carol Danvers herself has had two other codenames (not counting "Captain Marvel".) So the idea that there could be a faithful, direct adaptation of this character is frankly bonkers.

Best to take the elements that work within the context of the story you're trying to tell. Discard the rest.
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Old April 2 2014, 12:53 AM   #3998
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Hey everyone. I've been avoiding this thread for the past week to avoid potential spoilers, but I can't resist joining in for the live viewing. So if I've missed anything exciting, I apologize.
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Old April 2 2014, 12:56 AM   #3999
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Does this Skye/Ms. Marvel connection have any basis in anything, or is it just something that's been hatched and incubated purely in Internet fandom?
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Old April 2 2014, 01:05 AM   #4000
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Pure fandom.
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Old April 2 2014, 01:10 AM   #4001
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In that case, don't get your hopes up, guys.
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Old April 2 2014, 01:21 AM   #4002
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Oh shit, things are getting intense.

Did I miss anything concrete in the last six seconds or so before commercial? I had to go answer the door.
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Old April 2 2014, 01:24 AM   #4003
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Does this Skye/Ms. Marvel connection have any basis in anything, or is it just something that's been hatched and incubated purely in Internet fandom?
Not sure I'd call it "fandom". Just some fun speculation based of a paucity of evidence to pass the time between episodes.

I'm not even remotly getting my hopes up, I just think it's an interesting idea. Realistically speaking I say the odds that Skye becomes Ms. Marvel are pretty slim. No more than 20% at the outside. The only reason I'm thinking it's even that high is the circumstantial evidence that is the (possible) Kree connection.
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Old April 2 2014, 01:42 AM   #4004
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Ward says that the Clairvoyant pushed all the right buttons...that fits with his described talent. He manipulated Ward into shooting him.
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Old April 2 2014, 01:47 AM   #4005
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My suspicion of Hand is tingling...she's a high-clearance agent and earlier she made an excuse to duck out after the plan was revealed....
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