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Old March 27 2014, 12:01 PM   #16
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Re: Gues who's writing two episodes this series.

I've always had the same feeling about VotD Starkers. How much of that was Gatiss and how much was interference or even re-writing by the production crew? It did seem like there were bits missing from the story.


Same could be said about Nightmare in Silver. I still have a hard time believing Neil Gaiman could have written such a disappointing story.
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Old March 27 2014, 02:37 PM   #17
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To be honest, the only Gatiss script I found disappointing was Night Terrors. For the most part, his other episodes were pretty good, even Victory of the Daleks which was largely just "we're redesigning the Daleks and doing an episode to show off the new design." I do agree his two season 7 episodes were his best Doctor Who scripts.
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Old March 27 2014, 02:57 PM   #18
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Let's face it, if he wasn't already working on Who, then he'd be the first person they'd be calling up to see if he was interested in writing for it.
And the mess of Victory of the Daleks wasn't his fault, that was down to the director, and more than that the decision to try and restart with an entire new production crew as if that hadn't worked out horribly on the first block back in 2004 (that time it was unavoidable, obviously. Doing it again in 2009 was just plain stupid).
I wasn’t aware of that, but it did strike me that VotD was a bit of a poisoned chalice and that he was likely given a hefty shopping list by Moffat.
As I understand it, VotD was intended to be a 70 minute special to go out on May day. But it was the first episode shot by the new production team, and too much of it didn't work and had to bereshot (just as parts of Rose had to be reshot five years earlier). Unfortunately there were limits on how much could be reshot, so the final episode consists of the stuff from the original shoot which was up to scratch (which tended to eb the conventional character/dialogue scenes) and the stuff which simply had to be reshot to make the episode work (the creation of the new Daleks), with the rest (Daleks playing nice) getting cut back .
As a result, the three plotlines are out of balance, with the 'Talk Bracewell out of exploding' stuff being a far greater proportion of the 45 minute transmitted version than it would have been in the planned 70 minute one (even though the actual minutes spent on it are the same). IYSWIM?
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Old March 27 2014, 03:36 PM   #19
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Re: Gues who's writing two episodes this series.

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Let's face it, if he wasn't already working on Who, then he'd be the first person they'd be calling up to see if he was interested in writing for it.
And the mess of Victory of the Daleks wasn't his fault, that was down to the director, and more than that the decision to try and restart with an entire new production crew as if that hadn't worked out horribly on the first block back in 2004 (that time it was unavoidable, obviously. Doing it again in 2009 was just plain stupid).
I wasn’t aware of that, but it did strike me that VotD was a bit of a poisoned chalice and that he was likely given a hefty shopping list by Moffat.
As I understand it, VotD was intended to be a 70 minute special to go out on May day. But it was the first episode shot by the new production team, and too much of it didn't work and had to bereshot (just as parts of Rose had to be reshot five years earlier). Unfortunately there were limits on how much could be reshot, so the final episode consists of the stuff from the original shoot which was up to scratch (which tended to eb the conventional character/dialogue scenes) and the stuff which simply had to be reshot to make the episode work (the creation of the new Daleks), with the rest (Daleks playing nice) getting cut back .
As a result, the three plotlines are out of balance, with the 'Talk Bracewell out of exploding' stuff being a far greater proportion of the 45 minute transmitted version than it would have been in the planned 70 minute one (even though the actual minutes spent on it are the same). IYSWIM?
Yes that makes sense . I see to remember hearing there was going to be a sub plot relating to one of the map girls who was going to lose her fiance (a spitfire pilot) as well.

Does this mean originally the interior of the Dalek ships wasn't some call centre basement then
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Old March 27 2014, 03:51 PM   #20
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As I understand it, VotD was intended to be a 70 minute special to go out on May day. But it was the first episode shot by the new production team, and too much of it didn't work and had to bereshot (just as parts of Rose had to be reshot five years earlier). Unfortunately there were limits on how much could be reshot, so the final episode consists of the stuff from the original shoot which was up to scratch (which tended to eb the conventional character/dialogue scenes) and the stuff which simply had to be reshot to make the episode work (the creation of the new Daleks), with the rest (Daleks playing nice) getting cut back .
As a result, the three plotlines are out of balance, with the 'Talk Bracewell out of exploding' stuff being a far greater proportion of the 45 minute transmitted version than it would have been in the planned 70 minute one (even though the actual minutes spent on it are the same). IYSWIM?

Thanks for the info. That explains quite a lot.
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Old March 27 2014, 04:00 PM   #21
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I wasn't aware of all of those problems with VotD. So much makes sense now!
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Old March 27 2014, 04:15 PM   #22
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Re: Gues who's writing two episodes this series.

Gatiss clarified his involvement with series 8 on Twitter:

Mark Gatiss wrote:
To clarify. I've been commissioned to write two episodes of 'Doctor Who'. That doesn't mean they'll both necessarily be in this season.
There are interesting implications to that, that one (or both) of his scripts are for series 9. Does this mean that Moffat is a lock for series 9? Does this mean that Capaldi is also a lock for series 9? Or, could this be a situation like "The Girl in the Fireplace," which Moffat wrote with Eccleston in mind?
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Old March 27 2014, 04:25 PM   #23
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I think it just means that Gattis was paid to write 2 episode but doesn't know when, or if they'll air. That's a separate decision.

In the classic series (and perhaps the new series), there's been cases where episodes were written but never aired. Or written for one producer but actually produced by another producer.

He'll write what he's been paid to write and others will figure out when to fit them in. I don't think it means anything/anyone is a lock.

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Old March 27 2014, 08:42 PM   #24
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Gatiss did great work last season. Not so much everything else. Although I did fall asleep from boredom the first time that I watched The Idiot's Lantern, I did give it another go a few years later and actually liked it, apart from the villain's acting at the end.

I have faith that MG would do well in the position. I would seriously hate it if any of SM's other friends got the job, as they are all just terrible. Personally, I want Neil Gaiman for showrunner.
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Old March 27 2014, 10:38 PM   #25
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Yay, the sequel to Victory of the Daleks maybe!

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To hell with that. I want a follow up story to the "Lazarus Experiment"
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Old March 28 2014, 12:57 AM   #26
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Yay, the sequel to Victory of the Daleks maybe!

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To hell with that. I want a follow up story to the "Lazarus Experiment"
Bullocks to that! More Ice Warriors!
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Old March 28 2014, 02:22 AM   #27
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Re: Gues who's writing two episodes this series.

I'm with Christopher, ever since their first appearance, I have always wanted to see the Draconians again, and am saddened they weren't revisited in the Classic Series. (Need to pull out Mindwar and/or Mindwar Trilogy and watch it, I don't remember much at all, aside from the captivity part and a Girl who looks like Ace is being interrogated and doesn't identify herself as Ace and a Draconian [And a Sontaran?] are also in it.)

I'd love to see the Draconians get an update like The Ice Warriors and Zygons got.

Ambassador Centauri would also be cool to see realized with today's Doctor Who resources <2 Cyber Thumbs Up!!!>
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Old March 28 2014, 03:33 AM   #28
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Yay, the sequel to Victory of the Daleks maybe!

:P

To hell with that. I want a follow up story to the "Lazarus Experiment"
Bullocks to that! More Ice Warriors!
This. Totally this.
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To hell with that. I want a follow up story to the "Lazarus Experiment"
Bullocks to that! More Ice Warriors!
This. Totally this.
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