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View Poll Results: Do you have a DVD player? Do you have a Bluray player?
Yes both 45 56.25%
only BLuRay 11 13.75%
only DVD 21 26.25%
neither 3 3.75%
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Old March 27 2014, 09:54 PM   #31
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You didn't put the words "sad" and "Atari 2600" in the same sentence!
I actually still have an Atari 2600 hooked to my HDTV.
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Old March 27 2014, 10:01 PM   #32
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When DVD was launched, every new VHS tape came with a trailer advertising how everything would be more colorful, sharper, sound better and on DVD. The last DVDs I rented came with EXACTLY the same advertisement (non-skippable too, but that's another rant) about Blu-Ray. The only message I get is 10 years from now (or less) they will come with yet another new tech that really improves little and costs as if it was "the definitive" tech. (that's what I meant by "scam". That and the "remastered", "collector's", "director's" re-editions of the same content again and again; Star Wars is the champion in this field)
If you truly see little improvement between VHS to DVD and DVD to Blu-ray, then yeah, it's probably wasted on you.

Also, why are you conflating movie studios double-dipping on special features and media formats? They're two completely different issues.

But they (it's always "them") seem to not even want to wait for tech to become old, to sell the same thing again. VHS lasted what, 25 years? alright, but DVD was the first digital, un-degradable media, and not 15 yrs passed before Blu-Ray came (and it would be sooner had not happened the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format war).
VHS became commercially available in large quantities in the US in 1977 and DVD in 1995. So there was an eighteen year gap.

Now Blu-Ray is the state of the art, but streaming, 3D and whatever are looming around the corner. Soon perfectly good Bluray players and big screens will be in the trash. (that's waste)
You know you can still buy perfectly good DVD players (much cheaper now), right? Hell, you can still buy VCRs if you want, you just have to look a little further afield. But thanks to the progressively advancing technology you're decrying, the internet makes that much easier.

I mean, why don't we go back to phonograph cylinders while we're at it.

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Old March 27 2014, 10:18 PM   #33
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^ I think your cylinders are a scam. Watching plays at the theatre looks a hell of a lot better in my book.
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Old March 27 2014, 10:24 PM   #34
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Everyones knows phonograph cylinders sound better.
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Old March 27 2014, 10:38 PM   #35
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Old March 27 2014, 10:44 PM   #36
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Did I unwittingly start a thread about me? wow I must be important.
Astonishingly, those fragmentary quotes almost sound like a song.
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Old March 27 2014, 11:31 PM   #37
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Old March 27 2014, 11:43 PM   #38
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But I dont have nor want BluRay. Seems like a scam and a waste.
What makes you think it's a scam and a waste?
Actually I hit "submit" before I was finished and could elaborate, glad someone asked. What I was thinking is how the industry phases out perfectly good technology in order to sell the same thing again (the so-called "planned obsolescence").

When DVD was launched, every new VHS tape came with a trailer advertising how everything would be more colorful, sharper, sound better and on DVD. The last DVDs I rented came with EXACTLY the same advertisement (non-skippable too, but that's another rant) about Blu-Ray. The only message I get is 10 years from now (or less) they will come with yet another new tech that really improves little and costs as if it was "the definitive" tech. (that's what I meant by "scam". That and the "remastered", "collector's", "director's" re-editions of the same content again and again; Star Wars is the champion in this field)

But they (it's always "them") seem to not even want to wait for tech to become old, to sell the same thing again. VHS lasted what, 25 years? alright, but DVD was the first digital, un-degradable media, and not 15 yrs passed before Blu-Ray came (and it would be sooner had not happened the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format war).

Now Blu-Ray is the state of the art, but streaming, 3D and whatever are looming around the corner. Soon perfectly good Bluray players and big screens will be in the trash. (that's waste)

I wrote too much now. This Picture ilustrates perfectly my point.
Streaming has several drawbacks.

1.>You need an Internet connection.
2.>You need a fast enough internet connection in order to stream.

Yes it might be 2014 but not everyone has the Internet, and some of those that do don't have a fast enough connection in order to be able to stream in SD never mind HD. I for example I'm still on ADSL that ADSL need even ADSL2+.

From a business sense switching to OnDemand services only is bad buisness as you potentially eliminate potnetial customers. So that's why you have both OnDemand and Physical media.

You know I remember when DVD first came out and it was limite to 1 or 2 metre's in shops eventually that space grew and grew and the space given over to VHS was reduced. The same is happening with Blu-ray. It started with 1 or 2m in shops and has slowly grown over the year.

Business like to make money so they have to constantly come up with new things in order to part us from our money. You know one of the next things that'll reach the market might by DVR-BR to replace the DVR-DVD. And sure 4K, 8K etc.. will come but how is that any different from previous changes in tech? Sure it might be becomming a little faster than in previously but it still changed in the past.

As for multiple releases of the same film, it's only double-dipping if you choose to buy it. Even DVD and VHS re-released stuff so this is hardly a new thing.

Another reason for a re-release is that the market might have grown since it was last released so there might be more people willing to purchase it today than there was 3 years ago. Put it this way Lets say for example in 2011 there was 100 million blu-ray players world-wide. And I want to release a film, how many copies to I make if I think i can sell my film to 1% I'm going to have around 1 million copies pressed. Fast forward to 2014 and there are now 200 million players worldwide that means I have a potential new 1 million customers but I want to maybe generate a few more sales so I have to entice existing owners to buy it again so what do I do, load it with new features do a directors cut etc.. From a buinsess point of view it makes sense.


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Old March 28 2014, 12:29 AM   #39
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When DVD was launched, every new VHS tape came with a trailer advertising how everything would be more colorful, sharper, sound better and on DVD. The last DVDs I rented came with EXACTLY the same advertisement (non-skippable too, but that's another rant) about Blu-Ray. The only message I get is 10 years from now (or less) they will come with yet another new tech that really improves little and costs as if it was "the definitive" tech. (that's what I meant by "scam". That and the "remastered", "collector's", "director's" re-editions of the same content again and again; Star Wars is the champion in this field)

But they (it's always "them") seem to not even want to wait for tech to become old, to sell the same thing again. VHS lasted what, 25 years? alright, but DVD was the first digital, un-degradable media, and not 15 yrs passed before Blu-Ray came (and it would be sooner had not happened the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format war).

Now Blu-Ray is the state of the art, but streaming, 3D and whatever are looming around the corner. Soon perfectly good Bluray players and big screens will be in the trash. (that's waste)

I wrote too much now. This Picture ilustrates perfectly my point.
The picture is somewhat wrong - Betamax and Laserdiscs weren't just thrown away due to being replaced by the next Gen technology, they never won the format wars during their own retail period. So HDDVD would belong there.

The jump from cassette to disc, and disc to download is essentially starting from square one again each time. DVDs on the other hand still have their part to play in the BluRay age.

You are right Star Wars is the master of exploiting the chance to sell again in the latest format - it has fans queuing up the original films remastered in HD and still waiting.

Technology will always improve. Wake me when I can watch Star Wars in my own personal holodeck.
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Old March 28 2014, 12:48 AM   #40
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So, I guess it's not enough that I have to keep buying The White Album again... I also have to keep buying Star Wars again - eh?

(Luckily some fans of the original Star Wars have made an edit that surpasses (imnsho of course) any 'official' release ever made... but you have to look around for it).
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Old March 28 2014, 01:05 AM   #41
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So, I guess it's not enough that I have to keep buying The White Album again... I also have to keep buying Star Wars again - eh?
My solution was to stop watching Star Wars.

Crazy, eh?
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So, I guess it's not enough that I have to keep buying The White Album again... I also have to keep buying Star Wars again - eh?
My solution was to stop watching Star Wars.

Crazy, eh?
Not really -I also 'matured' while this whole thing happened.
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Old March 28 2014, 06:07 AM   #43
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Technology improves. That's the whole point of it. You're seeing ads for Blu-ray now because DVDs are a decade old. I want the best quality that is available that I can still afford. Right now that's Blu-ray and an HDTV.

It's only been 20 years or so since the invention of the NES. That doesn't mean the Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U are scams.
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It doesn't really make any sense to me to put ads for Blu-Ray on a dvd, since if you're watching a dvd, you're not going to see any improvement about the image on the screen.
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My brother gave me a Blu-ray player for Christmas 2012. He said, "You have to see it to believe it. It is so much better than your outdated DVD."

At first, I was not all that impressed. My DVDs did not appear to be any better on the Blu-ray player, since my DVD player upgraded to 1080p for my HDTV. However, when I started watching Pixar movies on the newer format, the difference was very noticeable. I am slowly replacing my favorite DVDs with Blu-rays!

WalMart has a $7.88 Blu-ray bin which has become my favorite spot in the store!
Dollar General has started carrying "previously viewed" Blu-rays (recycled from Netflix and others, it appears) priced from $4.95 (without case) to slightly more with a case.

Some of my recent finds:
$7.88 -
The Last Starfighter, 25th Anniversary Ed.
Green Lantern, Extended Cut
Batman [1989], the GOOD one
Independence Day

$5.95 - Darkman - BR+DVD+Digital with case

$4.95 - no cases, but ordered 15-pack of BR cases for $25.00 online
Harry Potter & Half-Blood Prince
Alice in Wonderland (Johnny Depp)
Jim Carrey's A Christmas Carol
Bridge to Terabithia
The Last Airbender (heard the Blu-ray effects were its only redeeming quality)

The last one was bought on a whim... curiosity got the better of me. As you can see, I am slowly building my BR collection.

What was your "must have" upgrade to BR from another format?
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