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Old March 24 2014, 02:47 AM   #16
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

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I don't get the hate about Ezri. She was a nice character and an interesting idea that helped give things another little shake up in S7. Yes, she was give a few episodes to develop and flesh out her character, but she didn't take over the series (like another female added to another Trek show). I personally would've liked the character to be male, just to have them really mess with the likes of Worf, Bashir and Quark.
I would have liked the next host to have been Odo:



That would screw with people in more ways than one.
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Old March 24 2014, 02:01 PM   #17
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Just a few of my top peeves:

I really disliked the reveal that Sisko's mother was possessed by the prophets to bring about his birth... ugh.

I did not like the Dominion War going on too long and pretty much ruining a series I had loved from the very start.

Killing off Jadzia. Ezri was fine, but I still think they could've allowed Terry to leave without killing off Jadzia. I know Behr's argument was "what could be the justification of her leaving Worf and the station at a time of war?" or something like that - I can think of plenty of good reasons precisely because of the war! Covert mission, section 31, or even perhaps a previous host had expert knowledge of XYZ and Dax needed to leave for a while.

Poor treatment of Alexander Rozhenko. Character assassination at its worst. Alexander was in a great place at the end of TNG, so rather than build on that, DS9 just decided to ruin the character by making him comic relief for a couple of episodes? Um, yeah, thanks guys.

Most of my problems stem from season 6-7. DS9 hit a high point in season 4-5 and then dropped into mediocrity for most of its latter years. Yes, I know I'm in the minority with that one, but there it is. Season 6-7 had some good episodes, but far too much disappointment for my liking.
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Old March 24 2014, 05:33 PM   #18
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

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Most of my problems stem from season 6-7. DS9 hit a high point in season 4-5 and then dropped into mediocrity for most of its latter years. Yes, I know I'm in the minority with that one, but there it is. Season 6-7 had some good episodes, but far too much disappointment for my liking.
I stopped watching around season five. I just didn't care about the war stories. Had the writing been better and the Dominion been more interesting I might have stuck the series out. Eventually I saw the remainder of the series, and I really like "In the Pale Moonlight," but otherwise my opinion remains unchanged.
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Old March 24 2014, 05:54 PM   #19
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Siddig's performance of Vantica was pretty much "Hold your head perfectly still and over-elongate some syllables and over-emphasize others."

I did like the ending of that episode though when she just vaporized his remains.
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Old March 24 2014, 07:18 PM   #20
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

I recently re-watched "Way of the Warrior" and noticed a couple things I thought were just stupid:

Sisko and Kira taking the elevator to the Defiant when Kasidy sends her distress call. Not only do they not beam over, Sisko basically tells Dax they'll wait for her. Hello, emergency!

Even worse though was the race back to DS9 later, when the Defiant docks at the station before the big battle with the Klingons. The Defiant isn't some pissant ship with no weapons; it's a damn battleship! Why isn't it out there fighting too, defending the station?
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Old March 24 2014, 07:26 PM   #21
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Prophet and Lace, nuf said
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Old March 24 2014, 08:21 PM   #22
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The Defiant- it just looks like a big shampoo bottle to me. Only Starfleet vessel where the engines are not parallel, windows visible on the underside which have no relation to decks unless the ship is three or four times larger, impulse engines are either the two small red circles or the entire stern with no outlets (depending on which reference source you use) and the detachable 'Warhead'/beak looking thing is never used, even when the ship is in battle and about to be destroyed. The bit about only being able to use the cloak when there was a Romulan representative on board lasted only a couple of episodes.
Out of all the design sketches they worked on , they choose the worse one to use.
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Old March 25 2014, 12:53 AM   #23
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The problem with "The Passenger" from what I understand is that the Director kept telling Siddig to speak slower and to drop his voice as much as possible. When they tried to fix it in post with him dubbing over himself he was able to speak with a more normal voice but he still had to speak really slowly so that his lips would match the video.
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Old March 25 2014, 09:00 PM   #24
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

Trek Survivor wrote: View Post
Just a few of my top peeves:

I really disliked the reveal that Sisko's mother was possessed by the prophets to bring about his birth... ugh.
I agree with this. I felt like it would have been more interesting to have Sisko willingly choose to be "of Bajor" vs. him being divinely predestined and having no choice. And if they just wanted to have him end up wioth the Prohets in the end, they still could have. Making it his choise gives it more weight.

Killing off Jadzia. Ezri was fine, but I still think they could've allowed Terry to leave without killing off Jadzia.
I used to feel this way, especially when it first aired. But, in hindsight, as a writer you can't have a situation like that and NOT kill the character. You can get a new character without having to completely start over. What's the use of having a joined Trill to write for if you never get to reboot the host? The situation was too perfect not to kill her. Now, the way they killed her...

Poor treatment of Alexander Rozhenko. Character assassination at its worst. Alexander was in a great place at the end of TNG, so rather than build on that, DS9 just decided to ruin the character by making him comic relief for a couple of episodes? Um, yeah, thanks guys.
Agreed. Alexander was never a high point on TNG, but it's as if the DS9 writers didn't see S6 or S7 of that series at all. Worf made some real gains as a father in episodes like A Fistful of Datas or Firstborn. But, they forget all that and put things between them right back to the way they were when K'Ehleyr died (heck, even worse). I think it was character assassination for both Worf and Alexander.

Now, I get why they didn't want Alexander on DS9. One single dad was enough (two if you count Rom). But there had to be something better than THAT. If nothing else, I can't see Worf's parents allowing him to become that neglectful of his son.
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Old March 26 2014, 09:50 PM   #25
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The holographic ship to ship communication they used for like 2 episodes! Stupid idea!
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Old March 26 2014, 11:08 PM   #26
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- No Gamma quadrant episodes in S6/S7
- The writers forgetting Jake existed in S6/S7
- Too much war in S6/S7
- No Dax personality present in Ezri, only Dax memories.
- The Prophets' ever changing plans for Sisko. "Destiny fulfilled", "Destiny ahead of you", "Destiny fulfilled". Make up your mind dammit!
- Damar never punished for killing Ziyal. Not even by Dukat.
- Maquis storyline ending. What a downer. What a waste of potential.
- Rom as Nagus?!? He loved his job as an Engineer! Poor guy.

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Old March 26 2014, 11:23 PM   #27
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- No Dax personality present in Ezri, only Dax memories.
Based on Facets, there isn't much of Curzon's personality in Jadzia (just the memory of how to do a few Klingon-y things).
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Old March 26 2014, 11:26 PM   #28
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Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.

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Just a few of my top peeves:

I really disliked the reveal that Sisko's mother was possessed by the prophets to bring about his birth... ugh.
Yeah, that was pretty bad. It's a disservice to the Prophets and Emissary storyline that they made him into a god, a messiah, instead of leaving it a matter of interpretation.

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I did not like the Dominion War going on too long and pretty much ruining a series I had loved from the very start....

Most of my problems stem from season 6-7. DS9 hit a high point in season 4-5 and then dropped into mediocrity for most of its latter years. Yes, I know I'm in the minority with that one, but there it is. Season 6-7 had some good episodes, but far too much disappointment for my liking.
I disagree here. The war was the centerpiece of the show. The Dominion were very interesting and brought out the themes of the show. An episode like "Rocks and Shoals" is a good example of roles humanoids play in the Dominion. They did plenty of episodes in seasons 3-5 about the Dominion that fleshed them out.

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Killing off Jadzia. Ezri was fine, but I still think they could've allowed Terry to leave without killing off Jadzia. I know Behr's argument was "what could be the justification of her leaving Worf and the station at a time of war?" or something like that - I can think of plenty of good reasons precisely because of the war! Covert mission, section 31, or even perhaps a previous host had expert knowledge of XYZ and Dax needed to leave for a while.
I disagree again. I think killing her in a time of war would've been tremendous. Having her almost a Captain in the beginning of season 6 means they could've been scrambling for good Captains, and had her command a ship as a part of a ship lost in times of war. Worf would've had no problem losing his wife that way. This would've driven home that the main characters are not all going to survive this war. Nog will lose a leg. Jadzia loses her life, possibly the symbiot of Dax would die, too (an actual death that would test Sisko's resolve for the war). Instead, he gets another Dax and all is well. There's a lot of potential with a death of Jadzia, however, I doubt you would like it if it was a war casualty.

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Poor treatment of Alexander Rozhenko. Character assassination at its worst. Alexander was in a great place at the end of TNG, so rather than build on that, DS9 just decided to ruin the character by making him comic relief for a couple of episodes? Um, yeah, thanks guys.
I disagree--Alexander was a bad character, period.

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That said, I have a list. It's not very long. I think the Maquis were the weakest of the story lines for DS9. I think they should've been more menacing or not done at all. Just horrible--the Eddington episodes. Like nails on a chalkboard.

Also, the Pah Wraiths turned this into a bad comic book showdown between Dukat and Sisko. A small change--I want power and the Prophets showed me they have power--would've made it more interesting for me watching Dukat. Instead, he tries to justify everything he is doing. I hated that he became entangled with Kira's mother ( ). Everything is happening to our characters (except death).

That's about all I would change.
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Old March 26 2014, 11:35 PM   #29
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- No Dax personality present in Ezri, only Dax memories.
Based on Facets, there isn't much of Curzon's personality in Jadzia (just the memory of how to do a few Klingon-y things).
I wasn't talking about Jadzia, I was talking about Dax. In "Invasive Procedures" Verad's personality became "wise beyond his years" compared to his old self after he received the Dax-symbiont. Just like (Season1)-Jadzia.
I didn't see any of that in Ezri. She remained this slighty confused girl.
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Old March 27 2014, 01:42 AM   #30
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^Curzon/Odo fooled around.....

Ezri was confused BECAUSE she wasn't trained for it... Jadzia, Curzon and the others all went through rigorous training for it.
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