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Old March 22 2014, 11:59 PM   #16
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I was pleasantly surprised that the reunion between Ragnar and Bjorn was angst-free.

I wonder if Athelstan will now become Ecbert's source of information about the Vikings.
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Old March 23 2014, 07:29 PM   #17
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There's plenty of time still for angst between Bjorn and Ragnar. Bjorn won't be any fonder of princess "I'm too good to stay in a dirty place" ass log than he was before. His mother rather shines in comparison, and Ragnar is destined to be overshadowed by Bjorn according to the old seer.

Who knows what's in store for Athelstan? King Ecbert is pretty damn clever ordering Athelstan's reprieve. He could be a most useful tool to assess the Viking strengths and weaknesses having lived with the enemy for so long and understanding their language. Why the hell was Ragnar so passive agressive pissy with him anyway Because he didn't jump to his heels to go back to Scandanavia? Athelstan speaks English. It made sense for him to stay but all Ragnar could do was pout. I wanted to smack him.
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Old March 23 2014, 09:40 PM   #18
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princess "I'm too good to stay in a dirty place" ass log


OTOH, Bjorn might enjoy having younger brothers.

I thought it made perfect sense for Athelstan to stay in Britain on Ragnar's behalf...he was potentially far more useful to the Viking king with his unique knowledge than he would be as one more fighting man with Ragnar.
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Old March 23 2014, 09:49 PM   #19
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There's plenty of time still for angst between Bjorn and Ragnar. Bjorn won't be any fonder of princess "I'm too good to stay in a dirty place" ass log than he was before. His mother rather shines in comparison, and Ragnar is destined to be overshadowed by Bjorn according to the old seer.

Who knows what's in store for Athelstan? King Ecbert is pretty damn clever ordering Athelstan's reprieve. He could be a most useful tool to assess the Viking strengths and weaknesses having lived with the enemy for so long and understanding their language. Why the hell was Ragnar so passive agressive pissy with him anyway Because he didn't jump to his heels to go back to Scandanavia? Athelstan speaks English. It made sense for him to stay but all Ragnar could do was pout. I wanted to smack him.
I think he appreciated Athelstan's reasons for staying, but was hoping personal loyalty to Ragnar and his family would weigh heavier. It was short sighted of Ragnar and Horik to cut out Jarl Borg like they did. His looking to strike back as he did shouldn't have been unforeseen given the recent past.

Ragnar's going back isn't surprising but it is leaving Horik with a greatly diminished force in a hostile territory. Athelstan is one of the few who can communicate with ease here, and whom Ragnar can trust left behind to watch out for his interests. I think, hope at least, Ragnar will see the bigger picture after his family is safe. Right now, he's too focused on them to really care about the larger possibilities he had in mind for land and settlement when they'd arrived earlier.
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Old March 24 2014, 01:48 AM   #20
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The sad thing is that Princess Aslaug was a far more important character in Viking history/mythology than Lagertha and a Warrior Woman to boot. They made Lagertha too sympathetic and likable for the transition from her to Aslaug to be acceptable by the viewers.

...Unless they were deliberately trying to make Aslaug unlikable.
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Old March 24 2014, 02:10 AM   #21
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I think they are, but it's a bit early to tell. I'm not familiar with the actual mythology, but it seems that they're going for a more naturalistic take on things in which her roots according to the myth are pretention, perhaps bordering on delusion.
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Old March 24 2014, 02:21 AM   #22
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The sad thing is that Princess Aslaug was a far more important character in Viking history/mythology than Lagertha and a Warrior Woman to boot. They made Lagertha too sympathetic and likable for the transition from her to Aslaug to be acceptable by the viewers.

...Unless they were deliberately trying to make Aslaug unlikable.
Honestly thought she was just bsing about her Father and everything else until the kid was really born with a 'dragon' in his eye.
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Old March 24 2014, 04:17 PM   #23
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Katheryn Winnick is so striking and projects such a strong persona, it would be difficult to find an athletically gifted enough, talented enough actress to cast a shadow over her. "Blame" the actress so to speak for Aslaug suffering in comparison. IMO, the writers are trying to make Aslaug unlikable. Her whining about the dirty house, for instance.
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Old March 24 2014, 04:44 PM   #24
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It also doesn't help they portrayed her as this Home-Wrecker who destroyed a happy marriage (and for whatever reason no one blames Ragnar for any of this), it's REALLY hard to portray someone who deliberately seduces the husband of a character the audience has come to really like all for social-climbing purposes as a sympathetic character.
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Old March 24 2014, 04:58 PM   #25
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Lagertha blamed Ragnar. That's why she's so compelling to the audience. She's not some wimpy "you stole my man" type. She put the blame where it belonged. She didn't lord her new status over Siggy once Ragnar killed the Earl. She helped the unseen young wife who'd "miraculously" given birth about whom the old man was telling her when Ragnar was off chasing Aslaug's tail. She didn't like women being raped while on campaign.

Lagertha's a strong woman who isn't bitchy to other women simply because she can be. The character's a dream.
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Old March 24 2014, 11:44 PM   #26
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In the story that the show is telling, it seems that Asslog is the complication...Lagertha is "the one". It's possible that they're setting up Asslog for some growth, but they already seem to be going that route with Siggy, who seems to be aspiring to be more like Lagertha.
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http://www.deadline.com/2014/03/hist...-third-season/

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Old March 29 2014, 01:00 AM   #28
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Alright, now we have a little bit of angst between Ragnar and Bjorn.

So...does Athelstan have a girlfriend? She's still married, isn't she?
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Alright, now we have a little bit of angst between Ragnar and Bjorn.

So...does Athelstan have a girlfriend? She's still married, isn't she?
Maybe down the line. The king didn't say anything about a divorce, and only the church could annul the marriage, but they might have had more flexibility in such issues at that time than in later history, I'm not sure about that. I guess her husband might be a knight or other important rank for the king, himself, to be judging the issue. Maybe, he'll arrange a divorce to use her as a means to draw Athelstan over to his side if he and the son take notice of the two folks interest in one another?
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Old March 29 2014, 01:16 AM   #30
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Wait a minute...I see what they're doing here...Athelstan was crucified last week...now he's got a Mary Magdalene.....

He's the Reverse Jesus!
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