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Old March 25 2014, 06:03 PM   #16
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Re: Total Reboot?

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I'd argue that we have seen a total reboot, albiet one with references to trick gullible fans into believing that it isn't.
Not to say they haven't made plenty of changes, but the existence of those direct references to what came before fundamentally disqualify it from being a total reboot.
The ideal approach is to draw in new customers without alienating existing ones. In Star Trek's case, however, fans have become so irrational and hyper sensitive that it's literally impossible to not alienate them.
This is true.
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Old March 25 2014, 06:39 PM   #17
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There are different kinds of reboot. Even within accepted continuity Trek has already been rebooted several times since NBC rejected "The Cage" even while liking the essential concept.

"The Cage"
"Where No Man Has Gone Before"
TOS
TAS
TMP
TWOK-TUC
TNG
DS9
ENT
ST09

Strictly speaking they were all mild redresses of what came before. None of them made radical changes.

So one has to decide how extensive a reboot one wants. Do you want a mild redress or a clean sheet restart that updates the material? And if a clean restart what needs to be there for it to still have a measure of familiarity to it?

That last point can also prove to be contentious because different people focus on different things that say "Star Trek" to them.

There's also a matter of medium. Trek on film and Trek on television are two different animals. There's more flexibility on television because you can tell a greater variety of stories as well as smaller scale stories. Trek on film is hampered by expectations and preconceptions. It isn't that a smaller scale story couldn't be done in film, but it's practically a no-brainer that no studio could envision that and green light it.

For example I offer Master And Commander: The Far Side Of The World. It felt very much like original Star Trek and yet it wasn't an epic huge story. The story was about one small skirmish set within a larger conflict. Here was a story on film that could have been done as science fiction set in the Star Trek universe. But you can pretty much guarantee that if such a Trek story were proposed for a feature film it would be rejected flat out. "Not big enough" is what they'd say.

That tells you that studio heads know jack shit in terms of what Star Trek is.

For Star Trek to be reborn properly it should be on television where it can be itself and utilize its flexibility.
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Old March 25 2014, 06:51 PM   #18
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So one has to decide how extensive a reboot one wants. Do you want a mild redress or a clean sheet restart that updates the material?
Clean sheet for me.

And if a clean restart what needs to be there for it to still have a measure of familiarity to it?
Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise. Everything else is up to be tinkered with or replaced.

I like McCoy, Scott, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov but don't find any of them necessary for a new version of Star Trek.
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Old March 25 2014, 07:04 PM   #19
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Well, I'm already working my own idea: http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=241042
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Old March 25 2014, 07:44 PM   #20
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I prefer the 23rd century setting. I think the ships should keep Matt Jefferies' basic design cues, much like Rick ("Risk") Sternbach did countless variations on the theme.
Agree.
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Old March 25 2014, 09:04 PM   #21
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So, in other words, they should dump everything in the investment (time/money/emotion) that classic fans have in it, in order to focus on making a product that they hope will sell to young people who aren't currently Trek fans? That's not just bad art, it's bad business to gamble your existing customers on the hope that someone new will buy in.
No, if the existing classic fans are a small group risking alienating them is worth it, a franchise can't survive in the long run if they don't attract new fans. Catering to an ever decreasing aging fanbase is the worst thing anyone can do.
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Old March 25 2014, 09:09 PM   #22
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Classic fans? What does that mean? There isn't even any consensus as to what Star Trek is among existing fans.

No matter what the idea, even if it's generally well received, someone will decry it.
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Old March 25 2014, 10:05 PM   #23
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Trek should be treated like comic book franchises, or Sherlock Holmes. Keep enough original elements to keep it recognizable, and do a mix of new stories and fresh spins on old ones.
Eventually, that's exactly what's going to happen. I hope sooner, rather than later.
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Old March 25 2014, 10:23 PM   #24
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The Trek spinoffs are derivative works created by and large by other people. If you're a fan of Rick Berman's Star Trek or Nick Meyer's Star Trek or JJ Abrams' Star Trek, that's fine. But don't tell the rest of us that these are the only versions of the Star Trek worth telling about. The source material is Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry. Every other version, while in their own right perfectly valid visions of Star Trek inspired by the original series, can and should be ignored in favor of the source material.

EDIT: Apologies for the double post.
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Old March 26 2014, 12:57 AM   #25
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The Trek spinoffs are derivative works created by and large by other people. If you're a fan of Rick Berman's Star Trek or Nick Meyer's Star Trek or JJ Abrams' Star Trek, that's fine. But don't tell the rest of us that these are the only versions of the Star Trek worth telling about. The source material is Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry. Every other version, while in their own right perfectly valid visions of Star Trek inspired by the original series, can and should be ignored in favor of the source material.
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Old March 26 2014, 01:48 AM   #26
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Why reboot? Just do what the Next Generation did and jump 100 years into the future and tell all new stories. Then you can still keep the vast history that has already been built.
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Old March 26 2014, 01:54 AM   #27
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Why reboot? Just do what the Next Generation did and jump 100 years into the future and tell all new stories. Then you can still keep the vast history that has already been built.
Because the technology is already "God-like" and that problem is only going to get worse if you go one-hundred years further into the future of the same continuity.
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Old March 26 2014, 02:11 AM   #28
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Why reboot? Just do what the Next Generation did and jump 100 years into the future and tell all new stories. Then you can still keep the vast history that has already been built.
Because once again you'll get the inevitable continuity call-outs and contradictions. It's just gotten too unwieldy.
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Old March 26 2014, 02:34 AM   #29
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Why reboot? Just do what the Next Generation did and jump 100 years into the future and tell all new stories. Then you can still keep the vast history that has already been built.
Because the technology is already "God-like" and that problem is only going to get worse if you go one-hundred years further into the future of the same continuity.
Only if the writers are lazy and unimaginative. Every tech comes with its own problems and aspects to explore. And if you think "God-like" helps, try playing an escort mission in any RPG or fighter sim, even with unlimited ammo and invulnerability (for you) turned on. There are always limitations.
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Old March 26 2014, 03:20 AM   #30
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Honestly, I want a total reboot of Next Generation and I want it more realistic, more "gritty" as they say, and less Utopia. I want it to have a similar feel to NuBSG or SG:U (but without everyone being an a-hole), with maybe a little first and second season Andromeda kinda feel to it. I want the same exact characters from TNG, including Tasha, explored in this setting with new actors/actresses and a more serious tone, with a new take on some existing stories and definitely new stories, and definitely arc driven (but still with standalone episodes).

And I'm totally down with Riker being a woman in this hypothetical TNG reboot.
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