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Old March 21 2014, 08:42 PM   #16
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

A few exceptions aside, Bajorans as a species don't seem to be a particularly vengeful lot. They took in Cardassian war orphans, they exiled collaborators instead of executing them. Can you imagine these events taking place on Earth? We'd kill Cardassian children and collaborators in a heartbeat. I don't think human reactions can necessarily be assumed for Bajorans in all circumstances.
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Old March 22 2014, 12:20 AM   #17
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

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A few exceptions aside, Bajorans as a species don't seem to be a particularly vengeful lot. They took in Cardassian war orphans, they exiled collaborators instead of executing them. Can you imagine these events taking place on Earth? We'd kill Cardassian children and collaborators in a heartbeat. I don't think human reactions can necessarily be assumed for Bajorans in all circumstances.
I don't think we'd be killing children, that's just inhuman and monstrous. Executing the collaborators for treason and crimes against humanity, yes.
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Old March 22 2014, 12:32 AM   #18
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

Here's a related question: why was Garak allowed to stay on the Defiant during the war? As a strategic asset, the last place I'd want him would be on the front lines...

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Old March 22 2014, 12:35 AM   #19
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I always thought of Garak as a bit of a windbag, especially for someone who is supposed to be an Intel Agent/Interrogator. It would strike me that the less you say in at least the former, the better. One could argue that talking as much as he does is simply a well-worked muscle for disinformation, but I think he just likes the sound of his own voice, plain and simple...
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Old March 23 2014, 04:07 AM   #20
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I always thought of Garak as a bit of a windbag, especially for someone who is supposed to be an Intel Agent/Interrogator. It would strike me that the less you say in at least the former, the better. One could argue that talking as much as he does is simply a well-worked muscle for disinformation, but I think he just likes the sound of his own voice, plain and simple...
Yes this is exactly what I got from the character. I very much enjoyed Sisko kicking the shit out of him in "In the Pale Moonlight"
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Old March 23 2014, 04:15 AM   #21
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Garak's manner of expressing himself was more to make life bearable for him living in exile. In his actual function as an intel agent/interrogator I imagine he was not nearly as talkative.
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Old March 23 2014, 06:12 AM   #22
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

^ Yeah, he got Dr. Parmak to break without actually doing anything - literally all Garak did was stare at the guy for hours, and it worked!
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Old March 23 2014, 06:17 AM   #23
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Not all Bajorans were as mean as Kira.
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Old March 23 2014, 11:48 AM   #24
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

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Here's a related question: why was Garak allowed to stay on the Defiant during the war? As a strategic asset, the last place I'd want him would be on the front lines...

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Garak explains that himself in the early sixth season - he prefers the company of the Defiant's crew because he believes Starfleet Intelligence had a bug planted in his brain.

And again, he's a civilian and a free citizen outside of the Union, and thus, not an asset to be ordered around.
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Old March 24 2014, 05:56 PM   #25
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Yeah, Garak isn't very trusting of Starfleet, but he trusts Bashir and he trusts Sisko. He probably wasn't willing to be assigned to Starfleet officers other than them.
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Old March 25 2014, 05:05 PM   #26
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Why would he have had a say in that, though?

Aboard DS9, he could do as he pleased: Bajorans in general, and the Bajoran government and military specifically, didn't give a rat's ass about the installation. Even Kira being sent there was really a sort of banishment, if some of the exchanges in the Circle trilogy are to be considered. Starfleet managed the place, and Starfleet was Sisko, because Starfleet in turn could not budge the Emissary of the Prophets from his holy seat.

But when the war came, Starfleet ceased to be Sisko alone. Even before any official declaration of war or emergency, Odo was ordered at gunpoint into a series of experiments devised to determine how a Changeling at gunpoint would feel... Why would Garak enjoy any greater protection?

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Old March 27 2014, 07:08 AM   #27
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

Yeah, I just assumed it was because of Starfleet's presence, plus having someone directly connected to the Cardassians would be a good asset to have around. Plus, yes, yes, he was a very good tailor.
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Old March 27 2014, 03:33 PM   #28
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

After the first five people assigned to ask Garak to leave mysteriously disappeared TPTB decided it was more cost-effective to just let Garak remain on the station.
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Old March 27 2014, 09:55 PM   #29
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Even during the war though Starfleet respected individual freedoms. Garak always had the ability to just walk away. If they attempted to coerce him he would have been savvy enough to avoid the coercion. Garak was only ever going to work for Starfleet on his own terms.

And besides, Cardassians were not enemies of the Federation at that point, and by the time they became enemies, Garak had proven that he was against the Dominion in all ways.
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Old April 12 2014, 04:21 PM   #30
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Re: Why was Garak allowed to stay on DS9 (Terok Nor)

Many Bajorans wanted to forgive their oppressors, and Garak the tailor may have seemed harmless enough, to let him stay.
But, perhaps Starfleet considered him a handy spy--although probably a double agent--whom they might be able to use, at some point in the future.
His exchange with Quark at the end of the Dominion War is priceless!
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