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Old January 23 2014, 06:34 AM   #496
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Re: Voyager again, for the first time

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Revulsion was at the beginning of season 4?

Wow, it feels much earlier than that.

Prime Factors is exactly where I thought it was though.
Yes, the crazy killer hologram
One of my favorites!
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Old January 25 2014, 04:32 PM   #497
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Bliss

You know, for a second there, I was really worried Naomi Wildman was going to save the day. All in all, not a bad episode. The rest of the crew pulling off sinister yet blissful was pretty damn good.
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Old January 26 2014, 04:10 AM   #498
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Bliss

You know, for a second there, I was really worried Naomi Wildman was going to save the day. All in all, not a bad episode. The rest of the crew pulling off sinister yet blissful was pretty damn good.
One of my favorites!

The scene where Neelix tells Seven he's been made Ambassador and the look she gives him is classic!!

However, it took me a few viewings over the years to notice by the end of the ep, Naomi is missing.
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Old March 10 2014, 01:57 PM   #499
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Took a nice long break to move countries, read Vendetta, and get stuck into some classic Doctor Who, but last night I finally got back into it with Dark Frontier.

Fantastic Episode. Possibly Voyager's best Borg episode to date.

Only thing I really felt that was missing was Seven's reasoning. She swaps back to the Borg practically expecting to be immediately become a drone, that doesn't happen and suddenly she's railing against the Queen, screaming about individuality. Then Janeway's saves her and there's no addressing the fact Seven switched sides voluntarily. I think the intention is that the Queen coerced her through those transmissions, but that's a bit vague at best.
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Old March 11 2014, 04:52 PM   #500
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The Disease.

An interesting spin on the 'Officer cops off with an alien' routine. Or rather, an actual addressing of it instead of it just happening. I wonder how many of those protocols were dreamt up by Bones after he treated Kirk for the third alien STD that month?

I also liked Janeway's admittance that if it was Paris back in the day she'd have barely raised an eyebrow.
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Old March 14 2014, 10:50 AM   #501
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Course: Oblivion.

I ruined it for myself. Seeing Paris being back as a LT I did a quick fact check to see if we was promoted between episodes. The twist revealed I just sort of went along for the ride.
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Old March 14 2014, 11:37 AM   #502
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It's less obvious the next couple times they pull this.
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Old March 15 2014, 02:43 AM   #503
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By going along for the ride, you seem to be blithely referring to what more than a few observers have described as an overwhelmingly poignant yet ultimately nihilistic accounting of a voyage, which can be slagged off by some as doppelgangers simply returning to their origins, but seems to this viewer as heroic in the intensity and substance of a collective life fully lived. I think that the continuation of the Silvers' story, telscoped as it is in the episode, is so compelling that the near total absence of the Originals, except as the last means to have these characters' existence remembered at all, is very, very welcome.


Thinking further though, one could certainly say they left their mark if by nothing other than their own interactions with DQ civilizations, the consequence of which impact we have no way of knowing. It is interesting to think of encounters that both ships might have had in common and how that would have been processed by those dealing with the visits as well as to speculate on the circumstances that allowed the Silvers to successfully develop the technology that got them so far ahead of Voyager Mk.1.


It also has bothered me that when Tuvok (IIRL) lists the trace elements remaining when Voyager arrives, no on has a spark of recognition, as in "hey that particular combination sounds familiar as in EXACTLY THE CONSTITUTION OF A LIFE FORM WE HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCE WITH BEFORE"!!!!(albeit years before). If for no other reason, than it seems unlikely that this brew is not likely to be the signature residue found at the site of any spacecraft apparently blown to smithereens. But.... I guess even the hint that Voyager would ever even have the possibility of putting two and two together would negate the inescapably non-redemptive theme of this exercise.
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Old March 16 2014, 08:17 AM   #504
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I'll be doing a rewatch after I finish my runthrough of Blake's 7. My friend gave me seasons 1-6 so should keep me going for a couple of years.
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Old March 16 2014, 11:46 AM   #505
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The Fight last night. It was alright. Heavy use of the pan pipes in that one.
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Old March 24 2014, 10:21 AM   #506
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Think Tank

Hey, I actually remember this one. After getting confused just where I dropped off on the original airing, I was surprised to hit one in the back half of season 5 that I recognised. I know I saw Equinox, but I've not recognised one for so long.

Nice guest star, and interesting plot with the double crosses and it all being a big massive ploy to get Seven on board their ship. The Think Tank themselves were pretty awesome, with such a varied range of aliens, it's something Star Trek doesn't do enough of. And I couldn't help but wonder if the guy in the fish tank was somehow connected to a certain probe in a film.
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Old March 24 2014, 06:01 PM   #507
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For me the big problem with Dark Frontier is they didn't justify the Borg queen specifically wanting to grab Seven. Her motives there seemed kind of arbitrarily and did not make sense in the vein of everything we know about the Borg. And it also didn't make sense that the Borg would go about getting what they want by extortion.

Definitely the 'Nerfing point' of the Borg in the Voyager series.
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Old March 24 2014, 09:24 PM   #508
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The problem is that Seven would never have stayed once she found out that it was a trick, and if she didn't figure out t hat it was a trick then she wasn't smart enough to stay.

Also why create a problem for Voyager?

They were just as lost, maybe more lost a week earlier in The Fight, and they were up shit creek without a paddle in Juggernaut a week later.
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Old March 24 2014, 10:16 PM   #509
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Also, why not offer a quick way home, or even a shortcut. Knock a year off and Janeway would bite your hand off. It was a pretty dumb idea from such a clever group.
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Old March 24 2014, 10:17 PM   #510
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For me the big problem with Dark Frontier is they didn't justify the Borg queen specifically wanting to grab Seven. Her motives there seemed kind of arbitrarily and did not make sense in the vein of everything we know about the Borg. And it also didn't make sense that the Borg would go about getting what they want by extortion.

Definitely the 'Nerfing point' of the Borg in the Voyager series.
Fair point, that did bug me when the offer was made, or Seven was told she wasn't being re-assimilated. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense that bit.
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