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Old March 23 2014, 04:35 PM   #16
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Re: DVD vs Bluray.

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Blu-ray is always going to be better than DVD.
Usually, but I'd argue watching the ENT BD's (judging season's 1-3 currently) on, say, a 32" screen from a few feet away would yield minimal benefit. Still, I always advocate going for the best home video carrier available nevertheless.

Enterprise was filmed in High Definition obviously and if you get the DVDs, they're not going to be in HD.
Season's 1-3 were shot on 35mm film, from which you can strike 1080 (and above) HD masters of course. Only season 4 was shot digitally.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:37 PM   #17
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I will never upgrade to Blue Ray.
Which has absolutely zero to do with the question at hand. Especially considering the original poster already has a Blu-ray player and Blu-ray's. The question was about whether the substantial price difference between the two versions was worth it. From what I understand it isn't. But the price difference would absolutely be worth it if we were talking about upgrading to the TOS or TNG Blu-ray's.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:45 PM   #18
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My br-player is set to play everything in Native settings, meaning a dvd is not upscaled. I've seen the effect of upscaling, and sometimes it's just horrible.
On the other hand, upscaling does wonders in some cases ... that's my experience, for what it's worth.

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Still, I always advocate going for the best home video carrier available nevertheless.
The best carrier is BluRay, without a question. But I'd rather accept inferior picture quality in trade for the unaltered version of a movie/series. See my comment about the chopped-off fade-outs on the BDs ... it's completely ruining it for me, no matter how good the picture quality might be.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:46 PM   #19
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I will never upgrade to Blue Ray.
Which has absolutely zero to do with the question at hand. Especially considering the original poster already has a Blu-ray player and Blu-ray's. The question was about whether the substantial price difference between the two versions was worth it. From what I understand it isn't. But the price difference would absolutely be worth it if we were talking about upgrading to the TOS or TNG Blu-ray's.

Exactly! I have the TNG sampler BluRay, my God that's some amazing work, and that's what true remastering is. It's also the reasons why I don't buy everything I already own on bluray, since sometimes, it's only slightly better.

And like Lokai said, I have a 32" Full HD tv and Blurayplayer, so the effect won't be that amazing. Now, if it was a 40" screen, it would be a different story.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:49 PM   #20
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And like Lokai said, I have a 32" Full HD tv and Blurayplayer, so the effect won't be that amazing. Now, if it was a 40" screen, it would be a different story.
Even at 32" (I have both 32" and 40" sets), the TOS and TNG Blu-ray discs are simply mindblowing compared to their DVD counterparts.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:49 PM   #21
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On the other hand, upscaling does wonders in some cases ... that's my experience, for what it's worth.
I think that all depends on the source dvd. I once borrowed the first season of Torchwood from someone, and it looked horrible when upscaled by my brplayer. On Native, it looked fine. Avatar, same story. It's the encoding or something I guess, or perhaps wether or not it's a dual-layer dvd. I know that the LOTR Extended dvds are dual-layered, and they worked great when upscaled.

It's really not as simple as BR is always better.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:51 PM   #22
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And like Lokai said, I have a 32" Full HD tv and Blurayplayer, so the effect won't be that amazing. Now, if it was a 40" screen, it would be a different story.
Even at 32" (I have both 32" and 40" sets), the TOS and TNG Blu-ray discs are simply mindblowing compared to their DVD counterparts.
I haven't been able to compare TNG dvd with TNG bluray, all I know is that the Bluray for TNG I saw sofar was fantastic.
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Old March 23 2014, 04:51 PM   #23
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The best carrier is BluRay, without a question. But I'd rather accept inferior picture quality in trade for the unaltered version of a movie/series. See my comment about the chopped-off fade-outs on the BDs ... it's completely ruining it for me, no matter how good the picture quality might be.
Oso, I must admit I haven't noticed this at all, but you've got me concerned now! Could you direct me to a particular episode and fade-out so I can compare with my DVD's?
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Old March 23 2014, 05:03 PM   #24
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Oso, I must admit I haven't noticed this at all, but you've got me concerned now! Could you direct me to a particular episode and fade-out so I can compare with my DVD's?
It's hard to point out a particular example without watching the whole thing again. The first time I noticed it, I posted about it in the Enterprise BD thread. It was about the episode "Unexpected" ... at 25:34, right after Phlox told Trip that he's pregnant. It might not be significant to most people, but I found it very annoying.
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Old March 23 2014, 06:59 PM   #25
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Oso, I must admit I haven't noticed this at all, but you've got me concerned now! Could you direct me to a particular episode and fade-out so I can compare with my DVD's?
It's hard to point out a particular example without watching the whole thing again. The first time I noticed it, I posted about it in the Enterprise BD thread. It was about the episode "Unexpected" ... at 25:34, right after Phlox told Trip that he's pregnant. It might not be significant to most people, but I found it very annoying.
I've just checked, and you're absolutely right - it's actually quite pronounced unfortunately. The same problem is also present on the TNG "Best Of Both Worlds" standalone BD, but not on the individual episodes in the season 3/4 BD sets - bizarre.
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Old March 23 2014, 07:44 PM   #26
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Still, I always advocate going for the best home video carrier available nevertheless.
The best carrier is BluRay, without a question. But I'd rather accept inferior picture quality in trade for the unaltered version of a movie/series. See my comment about the chopped-off fade-outs on the BDs ... it's completely ruining it for me, no matter how good the picture quality might be.
There's been a lot of discussion online that a lot of older movies released on blu-ray are having the color grading/timing changed. Often, it seems to bring them in line with the dreaded teal and orange look.
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Old March 23 2014, 08:34 PM   #27
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There's been a lot of discussion online that a lot of older movies released on blu-ray are having the color grading/timing changed. Often, it seems to bring them in line with the dreaded teal and orange look.
Or the blue look ... see TWOK.
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Old March 23 2014, 10:05 PM   #28
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Re: DVD vs Bluray.

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Sorry, but I don't agree. Some older series and movies are simply upscaled to appear HD, which can sometimes result in pretty lousy quality. My br-player is set to play everything in Native settings, meaning a dvd is not upscaled. I've seen the effect of upscaling, and sometimes it's just horrible.
ENT was mastered in HD. It neither required a remaster nor upscaling. It was always already in full HD. So, yes, it's the same resolution as the TNG remaster.
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On the other hand, upscaling does wonders in some cases ... that's my experience, for what it's worth.
Upscaling adds no new resolution, it just prevents the image from looking like total crap on an HD TV.
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Old April 8 2014, 01:46 AM   #29
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The basic thing you need to know: Even though it was filmed in HD, Enteprise is only 480p on DVD. On bluray it will actually be "HD".

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^480p on NTSC DVD.
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