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Old March 23 2014, 07:14 AM   #121
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Re: Seth Macfarlane Should Helm the Next Trek Series

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(looking at you, Risk Sternbach and Michael Okuda)
I'm not sure why you're singling out Sternbach and Okuda when they had nothing to do with the Abrams films.
I think Mike did a little bit of graphics stuff to help pull the 2009 movie's butt out of a production fire, but not much else. I certainly wasn't part of either JJ film, thank goodness. In super high resolution hindsight.

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p.s. - I think I actually like "Risk" Sternbach. Sounds like an Indiana Jones kinda character.
I stand corrected then, Risk, and thank you. I had checked IMDB before posting and it didn't list you or Mike as having credits on it.
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Old March 23 2014, 12:32 PM   #122
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It's wrong, plain and simple. And please cite the example of 'it' being called that on Enterprise. I doubt it, but I've been wrong before.
From "Broken Bow"...

SOVAL: Sarcasm aside, Captain, the last thing your people need is to make an enemy of the Klingon Empire.

TOS: If we hadn't convinced them to let us take Klaang's corpse back to Kronos, Earth would most likely be facing a squadron of Warbirds by the end of the week.

(I just realized ENT named a Vulcan after The Original Series!)

They've also been referred to as "Klingon Warbirds" in old novels, most notably *I think* in J.M. Ford's The Final Reflection.
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Old March 23 2014, 12:39 PM   #123
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I'm not sure why you're singling out Sternbach and Okuda when they had nothing to do with the Abrams films.
I think Mike did a little bit of graphics stuff to help pull the 2009 movie's butt out of a production fire, but not much else. I certainly wasn't part of either JJ film, thank goodness. In super high resolution hindsight.

Rick

p.s. - I think I actually like "Risk" Sternbach. Sounds like an Indiana Jones kinda character.
I stand corrected then, Risk, and thank you. I had checked IMDB before posting and it didn't list you or Mike as having credits on it.
I suspect Victory Is Life was maybe thinking of Enterprise-E designer John Eaves, who worked on both of Abrams' Trek movies.
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Old March 23 2014, 05:50 PM   #124
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I think Seth Macfarlane would be willing to take some risks with Trek and inject some new life into it, so I wouldn't have a problem with him taking the reigns--so long as it was proper Trek and not JJ's mess.
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Old March 23 2014, 06:44 PM   #125
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I suspect Victory Is Life was maybe thinking of Enterprise-E designer John Eaves, who worked on both of Abrams' Trek movies.
If that's the case, for someone claiming to be "the biggest Trek fan in history", his facts seem to be uncoordinated.
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Old March 23 2014, 08:11 PM   #126
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
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It's wrong, plain and simple. And please cite the example of 'it' being called that on Enterprise. I doubt it, but I've been wrong before.
From "Broken Bow"...

SOVAL: Sarcasm aside, Captain, the last thing your people need is to make an enemy of the Klingon Empire.

TOS: If we hadn't convinced them to let us take Klaang's corpse back to Kronos, Earth would most likely be facing a squadron of Warbirds by the end of the week.

(I just realized ENT named a Vulcan after The Original Series!)

They've also been referred to as "Klingon Warbirds" in old novels, most notably *I think* in J.M. Ford's The Final Reflection.
I remember back when Broken Bow first aired there was such a shit storm on the internet over the use of the term "Klingon Warbird." People declaring Berman and Braga criminal hacks who should be barred from Trek and docking the episode something like 5 points in online reviews over it. Never did understand why there's practically no reaction over it being used in XI.
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Old March 23 2014, 08:25 PM   #127
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In Broken Bow, someone called Klaang a "Klingot" before being corrected. Not much of a stretch to call a ship the wrong name, especially when there weren't any Romulans around to take offense.

Apparently, in the new timeline BOPs are called warbirds. It's not really that big a deal. Maybe if they were just referred to as "birds" people could more easily wrap their brains around it.
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Old March 23 2014, 09:20 PM   #128
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"Warbird" also seems to be commonly used in referring to military aircraft even today.
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Old March 24 2014, 02:14 AM   #129
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In Broken Bow, someone called Klaang a "Klingot" before being corrected. Not much of a stretch to call a ship the wrong name, especially when there weren't any Romulans around to take offense.

Apparently, in the new timeline BOPs are called warbirds. It's not really that big a deal. Maybe if they were just referred to as "birds" people could more easily wrap their brains around it.
Why can't Romulans and Klingons both have ships who's names translate into "Warbird" and "Bird of Prey"?
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Old March 24 2014, 02:19 AM   #130
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The Wormhole wrote: View Post
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It's wrong, plain and simple. And please cite the example of 'it' being called that on Enterprise. I doubt it, but I've been wrong before.
From "Broken Bow"...

SOVAL: Sarcasm aside, Captain, the last thing your people need is to make an enemy of the Klingon Empire.

TOS: If we hadn't convinced them to let us take Klaang's corpse back to Kronos, Earth would most likely be facing a squadron of Warbirds by the end of the week.

(I just realized ENT named a Vulcan after The Original Series!)

They've also been referred to as "Klingon Warbirds" in old novels, most notably *I think* in J.M. Ford's The Final Reflection.
I remember back when Broken Bow first aired there was such a shit storm on the internet over the use of the term "Klingon Warbird." People declaring Berman and Braga criminal hacks who should be barred from Trek and docking the episode something like 5 points in online reviews over it. Never did understand why there's practically no reaction over it being used in XI.
I'm guessing the cloaking device in "Unexpected" caused them all to have fatal strokes.
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Old March 24 2014, 04:30 PM   #131
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Although I enjoy American Dad and Family Guy. I didn't think much of that Ted film he did which is the only non-animated thing I've seen him done.

As for whether or not he should be given the keys to any new Star Trek series. I'm not sure I like the idea, I mean sure he seems to be a bit of a fan of the series with the Trek references he makes and has Patrick Stewart on American Dad a lot but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit for Star Trek personally speaking.

I'd love to be proved wrong however.
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Old March 24 2014, 04:32 PM   #132
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I think Seth Macfarlane would be willing to take some risks with Trek and inject some new life into it, so I wouldn't have a problem with him taking the reigns--so long as it was proper Trek and not JJ's mess.
I do think he would take risks that's one of the things I like about him and is the biggest pro I can think of to him doing a Trek series.

I'm just not sure he's the right person to do it.
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Old March 24 2014, 05:18 PM   #133
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The critics say that MacFarlane and Braga have somehow managed to make the universe dull. So far, I agree, but I'm enjoying the religion bashing and animated cutaways so much that maybe MacFarlane could make a weird and fun Trek I'd like. With Neil Tyson cameos!

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I always thought it was the studio that approached him
Yes, and the decision to reboot was in place before Bad Robot was approached.
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In Broken Bow, someone called Klaang a "Klingot" before being corrected. Not much of a stretch to call a ship the wrong name, especially when there weren't any Romulans around to take offense.

Apparently, in the new timeline BOPs are called warbirds. It's not really that big a deal. Maybe if they were just referred to as "birds" people could more easily wrap their brains around it.
Why can't Romulans and Klingons both have ships who's names translate into "Warbird" and "Bird of Prey"?
I have absolutely no problem with that.
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Old March 24 2014, 05:45 PM   #135
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It's wrong, plain and simple. And please cite the example of 'it' being called that on Enterprise. I doubt it, but I've been wrong before.
Watch 'Broken Bow' and you'll see what I mean. Considering that the Klingon ship looks like a bird anyway (having a long neck, and an end like a bird's, only with shortened wings) it sound fine to me and to others.


It's wrong and it is an elementary mistake. It makes suspension of disbelief all the more difficult. It is such an overtly wrong statement that it is the equivalent of saying up is down and black is white.
Obviously. But, it did make for a more interesting plot point than, say, anything in Star Trek Insurrection or any episode of the series, even if it's scientifically wrong.

How could I get that when everything in the film indicates that Spock was placed there deliberately by Nero to see the genocide firsthand. If what you say was indeed the case, why not keep him on the Narada and kill him after? Exactly, because what you say is A) not canon and B) stupid. Did you an I watch the same movie?
Except that (A) it is cannon and (B) it's what happened as I (and possibly a few perceptive other fans) saw it; Spock Prime did see in the eyes of his mind telepathically what happened to Vulcan (just as he saw what happened to the Intrepid's crew in 'The Immunity Syndrome' and as it's being relayed to Kirk in the mend meld)-and no, he didn't need to be on the Narada for that. Where he was on the planet was enough for him as far as Nero was concerned; also, Nero thought that he wouldn't be able to survive long on the planet, so leaving Spock Prime there was, again a big win.

Too bad that the Enterprise just happened to drop off James T. Kirk on it to meet Spock Prime by coincidence, though, or that they also happened to be in the vicinity of an abandoned Starfleet base with an engineer who just happened to have a radical long-range teleportation theory ready to be used by both Kirk and Spock Prime...

Ummm. No. with your reasoning, J. Edgar Hoover would have let his files on JFK lay about his desk for all to see. Let's break it down, Starfleet Admiral is creating a war machine with a genocidal monster who started the eugenics wars, to simultaneously usurp the ideals of the Federation and raise the ire of their enemies. No, your logic is flawed. You do not invite questions about an exercise in treason, you hide it if you are a traitor.
As I said, it's a garage kit/extrapolation/proposed future design of a current Starfleet vessel design similar to ones already made in the real world, and Marcus would probably explain it as such to anybody who came in; also, RHIP.

I don't remember face altering or mind erasure, please refresh my memory?
As obvious to anybody who didn't need their hand held and could figure it out, that is what Marcus & Co. did to Khan to make sure that he wasn't figured out by anybody or caught on any security camera/scanner log, since Khan is (most likely) still a wanted war criminal (this is the plot-line of the Star Trek: Khan comic book from IDW.)

I think it is relatively easy to conclude that Scotty was talking about hull damage based on the following statement: "Do you have any idea how ridiculous it is to hide a starship on the bottom of the ocean? We've been down here since last night. The salt water's going to ruin the. ...."
He should also be worried about water damage to the inside of the ship, too, especially to the computer systems.

Yeah, I have, thanks for being a condescending douche.
Condescending? Moi? No, just saying that it's not a big deal as far as the story's concerned

Only Abrams regularly and egregiously abuses this, ala the trip to Vulcan in the first reboot. It took 5 minutes after Sulu depressed the 'parking brake'...Ridiculous.
Everybody else did it in the movies and TV shows, and it's been mentioned by everybody else here on this board, or are you forgetful? As well, you can hardly expect the movie makers to show long stretches of them travelling to Vulcan or Kronos at warp, hence the (seemingly) shortened travel times to both planets in both movies.

No I started, you just haven't made it to the starting line yet. Hey don't sweat it, the world needs ditch diggers too...
I wasn't aware that I had to start running a race based on a ridiculous premise.
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