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Old March 21 2014, 04:14 PM   #31
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Re: Okay guys. *This* really IS a good idea for a new series.

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The question with that is, who is going to have the balls to attempt such a task? And would they be willing to do an actual reboot, to make things drastically different?

If they rebooted TOS, would they have a bisexual Kirk, Ms Spock and an African-American McCoy? Or would it just be a case of recasting (again) and repackaging stories with new special effects?
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Old March 21 2014, 04:31 PM   #32
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Re: Okay guys. *This* really IS a good idea for a new series.

They would give the show the Battlestar Galactica Reboot treatment. I see no other option. The names Kirk, Spock and Bones have to be in the next television series. Must be. I cannot imagine CBS trying out a new crew, new century, new ... whatever ... when the TOS brand sells fine. All it needs is some rearranging ... some seasoning ... some tarting up. That's all ...
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Old March 21 2014, 04:33 PM   #33
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The question with that is, who is going to have the balls to attempt such a task? And would they be willing to do an actual reboot, to make things drastically different?

If they rebooted TOS, would they have a bisexual Kirk, Ms Spock and an African-American McCoy? Or would it just be a case of recasting (again) and repackaging stories with new special effects?
The same question was asked when TNG was developed. The outcry from many fans was, "How can you do Star Trek without Kirk and company?"


And there are degrees of drastic. Here's but one example:

Captain James Kirk - transferring from command of a smaller and more combat oriented Starfleet vessel. He's replacing former ship's Captain, Christopher Pike, who commanded the Enterprise for its first six years.
Commander Nyota Uhura - she is the ship's Executive Officer and dubious of Pike's replacement. She is an experienced Contact Officer in dealing with alien races.
Lieutenant ILyik Spock - a young Vulcan/Romulan hybrid and ship's Science Officer.
Lieutenant Commander Lenora McCoy - recently assigned as ship's Chief Medical Officer.
Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott - a veteran spacer of many years and deeply involved in designing and building the Enterprise. He has been ship's Chief Engineer since launch and worked closely with Commodore Robert April who directed the new starship program.
Lieutenant S'ulu - a Medusan who must always wear a contact suit. He is the ship's exceptional HelmNav.
Lieutenant Olesya Chekov - ship's Chief of Security.


The setting is the 28th century. The Federation is recovering from a protracted war with the Romulan Empire ending forty years ago, a war that dragged for thirty years. The Federation had been a burgeoning alliance prior to the conflict encompassing many worlds and are now seeking to regroup its alliance. The war ended in a draw and both sides are intent on solidifying their status with current, former and new allies.

The Enterprise is among the vanguards, dispatched into the Sagittarius Arm to re-establish contact with former allies and resume exploration of unknown regions.

The Klingons - once leaders of a great empire who are rumoured to reside somewhere in the Sagittarius Arm. The Federation and the Romulans are each intent on finding if this mysterious race still exists.
The Andorians - allies of the Federation
The Gorn - allies of the Romulans



From this you have a great deal of familiar elements yet rearranged to some extent. But you're starting with a clean sheet in every other respect. Familar aliens don't have to look exatcly like or anything like what we've already had. The centuries of pre-history (post our contemporary times) becomes completely blank to be rewritten as desired. The science and technology is properly updated and extrapolated further than what we're already familiar with.

You can still have familiar elements. Zefram Cochrane could still have developed the space warp only the when and where he did it could be different. Sleeper ships and fast relativistic ships were used by Earth for a couple of centuries before the development of FTL warp drive. You could have a bit of rare Earth concept thrown in where the Federation was built up over centuries with fewer advanced races. The new Spock could be in a touchy position with some because he carries the blood of the enemy in his veins even though his father (or mother) is Vulcan.

This is but one example of fashioning something that is unmistakably Star Trek and yet it isn't bogged down by what came before neither does it erase what came before.
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Old March 21 2014, 04:40 PM   #34
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Re: Okay guys. *This* really IS a good idea for a new series.

If you're going to make that level of change, why not go all the way and call it something else entirely?
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Old March 21 2014, 04:54 PM   #35
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If you're going to make that level of change, why not go all the way and call it something else entirely?
You could, and thereby avoid a lot of hand-wringing from some fans. But this way you have a built in audience to get started.

The changes I'm suggesting aren't really all that drastic. Much of it lines up with what came before only you shift elements around a bit. It's really little different than a Superman or Batman reboot where everything is in place yet some of it is a bit different.

Now if the writing and acting and production are up to scratch then there's no reason it couldn't work.
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Old March 21 2014, 06:23 PM   #36
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This is why we need a straight reboot. I mean, if this entire forum isn't proof that Trek fans need a serious continuity detox, I don't know what is.
I would rather have stuck with the original continuity, but that ship has long since gone to warp. Yeah, a full reboot would be better than this half-assed alternate timeline that neither has the rich history of the Star Trek universe to craft stories from or the freedom to carve out its own path. It's a lose-lose situation.
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Old March 21 2014, 06:46 PM   #37
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Considering how disenchanted I had become with the existent continuity (let alone JJtrek) I would just assume they start from scratch.

I think it's also safe to say it's unlikely any successive relaunch will run several spin-off series and films.
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Old March 21 2014, 08:43 PM   #38
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with Guinan, and Data's head?)
Now that is an idea for a new series. Guinan stomps the cosmos, serving coffees and dishing out advice, with data's head hidden in her hat as the comic relief
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Old March 21 2014, 10:50 PM   #39
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Besides technobabble if I had to name one thing that is a creative shackle on Trek is continuity porn. I know there are a lot of fans who love having everyone know each other and everything tied together and hearing call outs and references to previous works, but that stuff is creatively smothering.
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Old March 23 2014, 05:12 AM   #40
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Oh, I completely agree with you, sir - on both counts. Gene Roddenberry seemed to be toying with a very similar idea in the 1st Season TNG episode "CONSPIRACY," actually. But seemed to not want to commit to it fully, and enshrouded it in one of the most incompetently fabricated puppets I have ever seen in a STAR TREK series, before. Their only saving grace was that they were better executed than the marionettes in the original series episode "CATSPAW" -- but just barely! But Section 31 is just as lame as either or both of these. I really wish this element hadn't been introduced. But ... it has. It is what it is ...
So introducing a little darkness into Star Trek is wrong?
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Old March 23 2014, 05:15 AM   #41
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TOS and TNG periodically had dark and chilling elements and there's nothing wrong with it. I could certainly see a new Star Trek delving into some X-Files like territory depending how it's handled.
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Old March 23 2014, 01:07 PM   #42
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If you're going to make that level of change, why not go all the way and call it something else entirely?
That's what they did in TNG. If you change the characters, they aren't the same. So you have to rename them. Had they kept Kirk's name for the bald French captain who always stays on the bridge, or had they called the android Spock, and the black blind engineer Scotty, it would have been silly.
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Old March 23 2014, 01:48 PM   #43
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So introducing a little darkness into Star Trek is wrong?
It's just that there is a tendency in fictional entertainment, regardless of the genre or format, to get to a certain point with a character, institution, or whole 'universe,' maybe, and then to deconstruct it. On one hand, this can be - and many times is - a very interesting exercise. STAR TREK's Mirror Universe, for example. On the other hand, it comes across as laziness and bereft of creativity, for one thing. Like having an alien "spirit" possess an established character on a television series, as if trying to get even more mileage out of its main cast. Despite the assurances of many Creative People - and young parents, in particular - "imagination" does have limits and this sort of thing is a case in point. Can't think of anything new? Start deconstructing, screwing around with and cheapening what you've already established.
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Old March 24 2014, 04:11 PM   #44
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If S31 is a competent organization then I suspect they never would have put all their eggs solely in London and upon the Vengeance.

Hell, the events of ID may be what lead it to become a covert organization in this timeline.

Or some "patriot" will establish a new organization and simply appropriate the name. Finding people who believe the ends always justify the means has never been a challenge.

That said, it's not a storyline I care to pursue.
Simply because your idea of the Federation and Starfleet is that of a thing that can't be anything but pure, it seems.

If that's the case, then why are you a fan (if you are one) of DS9, where this subplot was generated?
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Where are you getting your understanding of my ideas of the Federation and Starfleet? I'm hardly the type to link every corrupt admiral, etc. to S31, for instance. In fact, it bugged me when the novels linked the events of INS to S31.

And even if I was opposed to the S31 storyline in general, which I'm not, I'd hardly be the first fan of a franchise who neverthless disliked certain aspects of the franchise. You might as well say, "If you dislike Wesley Crusher, why are you a fan of TNG?"
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