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Old March 17 2014, 03:42 PM   #166
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Re: Kirk Enterprise - the Enterprise(a)?

Blowing up the TNG crew as a proper send-off? No, thanks!
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Old March 17 2014, 04:56 PM   #167
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better to burn out than to fade away!
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Old March 17 2014, 08:12 PM   #168
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Apparently, early versions of the ST'09 story featured wholesale destruction all the way to and including Earth, and early versions of Countdown featured the deaths of the entire TNG crew. It was the people behind Star Trek Online, complaining that it would totally wreck their (then forthcoming) game's plot that led to the destruction being scaled back to Romulus in the movie and mortal injuries to Worf in the comic.
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Old March 17 2014, 08:22 PM   #169
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So a non-canon video game dictated the direction of an entire Star Trek movie?

I would have thought it would be the other way around...
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Old March 17 2014, 09:03 PM   #170
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from imdb trivia -
"The original opening for the movie was going to feature the Enterprise NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April, with George Kirk second in command. At the climax of the scene the Enterprise would have been destroyed, and the Enterprise featured through most of the movie would have been its successor, the NCC-1701-A (which didn't debut until Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) in the original timeline). However, Paramount told Kurtzman and Orci that the one thing they absolutely could not do was destroy the Enterprise, even if they were going to replace it with a newer one, and so the "original" Enterprise was rewritten into the USS Kelvin, with Captain April becoming Captain Robau. "
dunno if all thats true or not <snip>
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Partly true, in this case (the part about Orci and Kurtzman not being allowed to destroy the Enterprise) and partly not (the bit about Robert April has no identifiable source and is probably nothing more than fan-generated wishful thinking.) All covered (with a link to the Orci/Kurtzman interview) in Post #158, upthread. ↑
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Old March 18 2014, 03:17 AM   #171
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C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
So a non-canon video game dictated the direction of an entire Star Trek movie?

I would have thought it would be the other way around...
Actually, my understanding is it was more than just the Online game. Basically CBS/Paramount didn't want the Prime Universe to be completely wiped out since Prime Universe merchandise (novels, comics, and games) still generates a profit and they didn't want to walk away from that completely.
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Old March 18 2014, 05:59 AM   #172
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The Wormhole wrote: View Post
C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
So a non-canon video game dictated the direction of an entire Star Trek movie?

I would have thought it would be the other way around...
Actually, my understanding is it was more than just the Online game. Basically CBS/Paramount didn't want the Prime Universe to be completely wiped out since Prime Universe merchandise (novels, comics, and games) still generates a profit and they didn't want to walk away from that completely.
That's sort of what I heard, except that it was either a CBS mandate given to Paramount or simply something Paramount did to keep CBS happy.
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Old March 18 2014, 11:44 AM   #173
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Basically CBS/Paramount didn't want the Prime Universe to be completely wiped out since Prime Universe merchandise (novels, comics, and games) still generates a profit and they didn't want to walk away from that completely.
But is killing off the TNG crew the same thing as wiping out the Prime Universe?
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Old March 18 2014, 12:11 PM   #174
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wonder which TNG cast would have been on Ent E bridge if there had been an opening TNG destruction scene. My guess is Picard, B4/Data, Worf & Geordi (but no Riker, Troi, Crusher )

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Old March 19 2014, 02:37 AM   #175
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But is killing off the TNG crew the same thing as wiping out the Prime Universe?
Well, I'm going to guess that a Trek product starring Picard, Worf, and Data/B-4 is going to find a more interested market than the equivalent product starring Ezri Dax, Harry Kim, and Captain Holloway.
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Old March 19 2014, 02:44 PM   #176
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It wouldn't work as there would be too much stylistic and casting discontinuity between TNG / Berman era to what we see from the opening scene where the Narada enters the 23rd century.

Even Generations was like watching 2 different films in one after the Enterprise B scene. The first scene felt like a classic TMP era movie, and then bang, you're now watching a season 6, season 7 episode of TNG.
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Old March 19 2014, 07:29 PM   #177
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the Ent E would obviously have been given a JJ make over and the TNG cast in new futuristic uniforms...

wouldve been great to see TNG given the really big budget treatment even if just for 5mins (and then blown to s**t)
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Old March 20 2014, 03:43 AM   #178
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The Enterprise E and TNG crew appearing sounds awesome.
Just don't like the idea of them getting blown up lol

It'd be nice to see the stylistic differences between eras.

Something like that should happen in a future film, with maybe even the TOS Enterprise next to the NuEnterprise
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In this Alternate timeline, the TOS Enterprise being the one April had that got decommsioned earlier than it did in the prime timeline, to make way for the NuEnterprise.
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Old March 20 2014, 06:49 AM   #179
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In this Alternate timeline, the TOS Enterprise being the one April had that got decommsioned earlier than it did in the prime timeline, to make way for the NuEnterprise.
It's a pity (though understandable) that when that Enterprise appeared in the comics, we didn't get to see much detail. A cinematic treatment would have been glorious.
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Old March 20 2014, 02:46 PM   #180
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Would love to see someone take the little bit we did see of it in that comic and try to extrapolate a different version from the Enterprise that Kirk commands. Maybe having it be closer in size to the TOS-E, not having the neck torpedo tube, and some other little details, maybe borrowed from the Kelvin, only nice and shiny.


To me it wouldn't be Starfleet without an Enterprise in the fleet. So i'm glad that, at least in the comics, we got some idea that Enterprises may have existed in that long stretch of time.
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