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Old March 20 2014, 02:28 AM   #31
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Re: Why was Sulu played off as a normal person but Chekov as a caricat

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On a side note, and I realize that the show's famous for getting many distinguished Trek alumni, one reason why I dislike the Big Bang Theory is because Raj is often the target of just so much microaggression from other characters, and when he complains, they handwave it and dismiss it, as if his experiences don't really count (unless, of course, it's a Raj-centric episode).

I don't see that at all. Among the five core characters, I think every one of them receives microagression from all the others, and dishes it out in kind.
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Old March 20 2014, 02:54 AM   #32
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Kirk assaulted Rand in one episode, I also think Riker assaulted Troi when he devolved. Of course there was that infamous episode in VOY where Paris kidnapped and made babies with Janeway.
Now now, I think that's a bit of a stretch. Yes, Lizard!Paris kidnapped his captain. But we haven't really got any reason for assuming that she didn't have those babies willingly, after having already evolved into a salamander herself.

Mind you, that's one heck of a case of Stockholm Syndrome that Captain Kathryn was exhibiting right there.
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Old March 20 2014, 12:51 PM   #33
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Old March 20 2014, 04:36 PM   #34
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The cast of MST3K once paid tribute to Earl Holliman, calling him "a man who would have been William Shatner had there not already been one."
In their sendup of "Attack of the Eye Creatures". I swear I really couldn't get my breath on that one. I was laughing so hard I thought I was going to pass out. It's on Youtube like most of them.
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Old March 20 2014, 04:50 PM   #35
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Ah, yes. Right here: LINK
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Old March 20 2014, 04:54 PM   #36
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They also made him assault Mara in Day of the Dove, making him him both attempted rapist and torturee in the same episode.



Kirk assaulted Rand in one episode, I also think Riker assaulted Troi when he devolved. Of course there was that infamous episode in VOY where Paris kidnapped and made babies with Janeway. OK its getting too ugly now.
Look I now realise I seem to be defending men assaulting women but its not OK under any circumstances. The only thing that mitigates it somewhat is that in all of those circumstances the the men were under the influence of something.

Beverly Crusher slept with Will Riker when he was possessed by Odan and hence couldn't give consent to her. Trek has been less than enlightened with regard to both genders some times.
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Old March 20 2014, 05:00 PM   #37
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Here's a site that provides links to all the currently available streaming media.

It's separated by seasons and listed in production order.

http://www.club-mst3k.com/

If a link becomes no longer valid, the site is pretty quick to find a replacement.

I had seen only the Sci-Fi Channel era and maybe 3 from the Comedy Central episodes (and the movie) before I discovered this site. Last weekend, I finally "caught up" by watching the last CC segment, "LaserBlast".

For MSTie fans, this is a "must have" site!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

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Old March 20 2014, 05:18 PM   #38
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Brain damage in STII could be why Chekov was such a dunderhead in the later movies.
I don't think major long-term damage is a plausible explanation. Despite his goofyness in the subsequent movies, there's no indication of that...and it would made his goofyness quite sinister.

At least, he got the Bones part in Generations, so his last cannon appearance shown him as mature and qualified. In Star Trek V, he didn't did a bad job when he had the bridge, but his authority crisis was really kiddy. You have no authority. ...What's going on here? For the phaser scene in STVI, we can point in his defense that either Scotty didn't know about the security device...despite he was the chief engineer.
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Old March 20 2014, 07:40 PM   #39
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Anyone have any idea of why this discrepancy?
I can't remember if I read it, or if it came from an interview from long ago. As I remember, the character of Chekov was created to please the suits. They wanted a young 'mop-top' that young guys could identify with, and that the teeny-bop girls would swoon for. GR finally said fine, he's Russian. IIRC, the suits were not very pleased at first, but GR insisted that the US was currently in the middle of a space race with the Russians and that Star Trek takes place long after WW III, with world peace and all, it would only make sense that there be a Russian as a member of the bridge crew. The suits finally agreed and they both got their way. I wish I could remember where I came across that little tidbit.
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Old March 20 2014, 07:43 PM   #40
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So the "Pravda story" is just a story?
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Old March 20 2014, 08:11 PM   #41
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So the "Pravda story" is just a story?
According to GR it was just a story. I did some digging to see if I could find the story I remembered from long ago. No luck. But I did find GR's side of that.

First off, I guess I miss-remembered the part about the suits wanting a Davy Jones knock-off. That was all GR, but his reason for making Chekov Russian were pretty much spot on. And GR was adamant that he had written to Pravda first letting them know that Chekov was to be introduced. It was NBC that said Chekov was in response to the Pravda article.
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Old March 20 2014, 08:31 PM   #42
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It seems to me there's an obvious explanation here. When it comes to making a statement, you don't need to identify the Asian crewman as Asian because that's self-evident. Anybody with eyes can see that.

But if you want people to realize that the mop-topped young white guy is Russian, you have to keep advertising that fact. Hence, the accent, the "Leningrad" references, etc.

It wasn't exactly subtle, but it got the job done. It was hard to miss that Chekov was supposed to be Russian.
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Old March 20 2014, 08:38 PM   #43
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So the "Pravda story" is just a story?
According to GR it was just a story. I did some digging to see if I could find the story I remembered from long ago. No luck. But I did find GR's side of that.

First off, I guess I miss-remembered the part about the suits wanting a Davy Jones knock-off. That was all GR, but his reason for making Chekov Russian were pretty much spot on. And GR was adamant that he had written to Pravda first letting them know that Chekov was to be introduced. It was NBC that said Chekov was in response to the Pravda article.
Was there really an article in Pravda lamenting the lack of a Russian character in Star Trek? Or is that just part of the behind-the-scenes mythos we've been hearing about these past nearly 5 decades? That is what I would appreciate knowing, please.
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Old March 20 2014, 08:53 PM   #44
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The truth is, we'll never really know for sure. The main players ceased having pulses long ago. GR insisted that he sent a writer at Pravda a letter, letting him know that there was going to be a Russian crew member added. Supposedly, the Russian writer did some kind of article about it for Pravda. Now what that article said, or if it even still exists, I have no clue. Even if it is still around, I wouldn't be able to read it anyway. I does seem that NBC did put out a statement back in the day that Chekov was added because of the Pravda article. GR called BS.

Koenig says its all BS, that they just hired him to be a Davy Jones knock off. The problem with that is, he wasn't even there yet. Add to that the fact that there are supposed to be memos between GR and the studio that would seem to support GR's story.
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Here's a site that provides links to all the currently available streaming media.

It's separated by seasons and listed in production order.

http://www.club-mst3k.com/

If a link becomes no longer valid, the site is pretty quick to find a replacement.

I had seen only the Sci-Fi Channel era and maybe 3 from the Comedy Central episodes (and the movie) before I discovered this site. Last weekend, I finally "caught up" by watching the last CC segment, "LaserBlast".

For MSTie fans, this is a "must have" site!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

Sincerely,

Bill

Thanks Bill, this is great. Has links to eps not on youtube but on metacafe and others.
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