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Old March 17 2014, 04:24 PM   #151
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Re: DS9 deserved a movie

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It is already bad to read books of Ezri Dax as Captain Ezri Dax
She's written wonderfully in the novels! You forget that the Dax character has been around for a looooong time.

in a starship even bigger and more powerful then the one Picard has.
So? Since when has ship size tallied with salary size?

Anyway, the old cast members are making more money with their characters being used and their images on the cover of books then they can make with a new movie to show they are much older.
How much do you think actors make in royalties for their characters' faces being used on a book cover? Since only a few Trek actors even have likeness approval, such a royalty would be nothing like what could be made with a movie contract.
First off, the books are fine with the character of Captain Ezri Dax. It is just this problem, the character of Ezri Dax. True I like Jadzia and Ezri. But, Ezri Dax did take up more than half the last season of DS9 when the fans wanted something else then the deep back story of this single character.

The idea of Captain Ezri Dax with the first generation of slip stream star ships kinda makes anyone can become a star fleet captain.

True, they may not get anything with their characters name being used in a book. But, it does keep the actors name still in print and asked to be places. Still, I think they do get around $250,000 plus per year because of their past characters. With over a billion people interested in Star Trek, the amount of money I used is not out of the ballpark.

With a movie, with a shooting time of 90 days and dealing with the script and other stuff behind the set can take half a year just with a character. Whatever they get paid, their personal cost goes up as well. Security, staffing, going to parties, and for women the cost of the outfits they have on during a party add up.
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Old March 17 2014, 04:29 PM   #152
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If I am not mistaken, DS9 gave us the first underwear scene: O'Brien wearing blue boxers in Paradise (so sexy ).
Which he did as a tactic when facing off against an armed and dangerous opponent. The scene was set up in a reasonable and sensible way, his choice--though unconventional--shows him to have a sound and diverse tactical mind. He was stripping off just to blatantly be ogled by a perv or get onto the trailers.
Yes, there was a context in which it occurred, and it was played for laughs, not titillation. Nonetheless, it was not necessary for the plot, and it could easily have been a female crewmember who was in that position. Indeed, Nana Visitor would rise from a bath to be wrapped in a towel later in the very same season. The underwear and bedroom scenes in nuTrek are cheap and tasteless, and I would rather they were left on the cutting room floor. Nonetheless, similar scenes happen in the series.
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Old March 17 2014, 06:44 PM   #153
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The underwear and bedroom scenes in nuTrek are cheap and tasteless
I liked the bed scene between Kirk and Galia, thought it fed nicely into the unfortunately cut scene of how Kirk used Galia to cheated in the simulator. Said a lot about his lack of ethics and self-centered personal morality.

But Uhura taking off her shirt in the same scene served no purpose.

Carol in her knickers, no.
Kirk with the twins, no.

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Old March 17 2014, 07:45 PM   #154
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But Uhura taking off her shirt in the same scene served no purpose.

Just a little weird when Uhura came into the room and her roommate only had her bra on top and Uhura took her shirt off so she only had her bra on top. In all the time I have ever had a roommate, if I ever did see her with her bra on I never thought hey I will do that as well. Cannot really recall me and a roommate just talking to each other when we just want to be in our bras.
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Old March 17 2014, 08:07 PM   #155
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If I am not mistaken, DS9 gave us the first underwear scene: O'Brien wearing blue boxers in Paradise (so sexy ).
Which he did as a tactic when facing off against an armed and dangerous opponent. The scene was set up in a reasonable and sensible way, his choice--though unconventional--shows him to have a sound and diverse tactical mind. He was stripping off just to blatantly be ogled by a perv or get onto the trailers.
Yes, there was a context in which it occurred, and it was played for laughs, not titillation. Nonetheless, it was not necessary for the plot, and it could easily have been a female crewmember who was in that position. Indeed, Nana Visitor would rise from a bath to be wrapped in a towel later in the very same season. The underwear and bedroom scenes in nuTrek are cheap and tasteless, and I would rather they were left on the cutting room floor. Nonetheless, similar scenes happen in the series.
I'd say DS9's trashy mirror universe lesbian scenes were just as blatant as what we saw in nuTrek.
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Old March 17 2014, 08:21 PM   #156
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I'd say DS9's trashy mirror universe lesbian scenes were just as blatant as what we saw in nuTrek.
For the win there, sir!
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Old March 17 2014, 10:13 PM   #157
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What, Kristen Stewart is a bitch. Strange, I have not seen her facial expression like that before. In fact, her facial expressions are very flat to a point they are none.
Having never seen her "act" I can't say, she just strikes me in that manner--definitely not the kind of person I'd want associated with my favourite of all Trek characters.

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I liked the bed scene between Kirk and Galia, thought it fed nicely into the unfortunately cut scene of how Kirk used Galia to cheated in the simulator. Said a lot about his lack of ethics and self-centered personal morality.
Well that pretty much sums NuKirk up, can't really add much more to it.

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But Uhura taking off her shirt in the same scene served no purpose.

Carol in her knickers, no.
Kirk with the twins, no.
Here, here. The fact he was in his skivvies does balance it up a little, but there is no need to be pulling crap like that on Trek--they did it on ENT and we all know what happened to it!

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I'd say DS9's trashy mirror universe lesbian scenes were just as blatant as what we saw in nuTrek.
It is nice to see DS9 acknowledge different orientations, the fact that they make it look like every woman in the MU is bisexual is a little tedious--wrong word but can't think of the right description at present. But I'd have to disagree, NuTrek wins out over DS9 for pervy scenes.
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Old March 17 2014, 10:42 PM   #158
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The underwear and bedroom scenes in nuTrek are cheap and tasteless
I liked the bed scene between Kirk and Galia, thought it fed nicely into the unfortunately cut scene of how Kirk used Galia to cheated in the simulator. Said a lot about his lack of ethics and self-centered personal morality.

But Uhura taking off her shirt in the same scene served no purpose.

Carol in her knickers, no.
Kirk with the twins, no.

My reaction to the Kirk-Gaila scene is always "Was the make-up artist fired?" The context you describe--Kirk's deception--would have made the scene at least more interesting, although I think I could still pass on it.
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Old March 17 2014, 11:24 PM   #159
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I'd say DS9's trashy mirror universe lesbian scenes were just as blatant as what we saw in nuTrek.
It is nice to see DS9 acknowledge different orientations, the fact that they make it look like every woman in the MU is bisexual is a little tedious--wrong word but can't think of the right description at present.
The scenes with Kira and the half naked "hunky" male models in whichever MU episode it was, and all the lesbian stuff, is there for tittilation - pure and simple.

Those scenes have absolutely sod all to with presenting progressive ideas or furthering the cause of LGBT sexuality - which Trek should be doing and doesn't.

Seriously, your posts are continually popping off the same old rhetoric about JJ Trek (fine if that's your opinion of course), and you're now telling us DS9 is "acknowledging different orientations" - gimmie a break.

There's way, way more blatant tittilation in DS9 than JJ Trek. Before I get flamed, I will once again state I am a fan of the show.
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Old March 17 2014, 11:30 PM   #160
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The problem with the MU scenes wasn't that Kira was bisexual so much as that she was a predatory nymphomaniac.

DS9's got it's problems, but it's hard to compare the importance of the problems of a few of a series' lesser episodes than the problems in a two hour movie.
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Old March 17 2014, 11:39 PM   #161
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The problem with the MU scenes wasn't that Kira was bisexual so much as that she was a predatory nymphomaniac.

DS9's got it's problems, but it's hard to compare the importance of the problems of a few of a series' lesser episodes than the problems in a two hour movie.
I don't personally view them as "lesser" episodes, just episodes - but that label still doesn't change the fact those scenes are, well, gratuitous. That's all.

It's easy for me to compare intent, and I don't think the "two hour movie" has any problems worth mentioning. In fact, it's one of the best Trek's in ages.
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Old March 18 2014, 01:08 AM   #162
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DS9 > nuTrek
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DS9 is sexier than nuTrek.

We can move on now.
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Old March 19 2014, 03:36 AM   #163
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Just a random thought in the shower:

A new trilogy written by Academy Award winner John Ridley...or maybe an entry written and/or directed by Brian Helgeland.

I was also thinking John Logan might be called upon to write an entry. (The master who wrote Skyfall, one of my favorite James Bond films). Interestingly, I believe he - John Logan - wrote Star Trek: Nemesis. Although, since that Trek film, he wrote The Aviator, Hugo, Rango. This is similar to Tom Hardy who went on to much bigger things after said Trek film.

I don't know. Even Martin Campbell directed another Bond fave of mine, Casino Royale, and went on to do Green Lantern. However, he - like JJ Abrams, Spike Lee, Steven Spielberg - is only as good as his script.

Someone mentioned Kristen Stewart, but I would rather have her much hotter (and a bit more talented) Australian twin, Teresa Palmer as a character. (Major Kira, if written properly, could be a challenging character to bring to the big screen for the right actress).
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Old March 19 2014, 04:48 AM   #164
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Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?

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Kira is a strong, multiple-faceted character, not a bitch.
The actress might be, the character won't be. And to tell the truth, Kira was a bit bitchy to Commander Sisko in the first episode.

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Old March 19 2014, 06:35 AM   #165
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Okay then, smarty-pants, who would you cast as Kira in a new movie?
Nana Visitor. I'd rather see them as they are now and also add new characters. What can I say? I'm just one of those weirdos who prefers continuity instead of reboots.
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