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Old March 17 2014, 01:28 PM   #196
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Sadly not the last time Dayna will have Servalan in her sights and fail to pull the trigger!

Re Star One, glad you made the comment about Jenna, that bugs me every time I watch it. All I can figure is that Sally must have been having a problem with that bit of dialogue. But year Star One is pretty great. Not the best B7 episode in my humble opinion, but damn close to it. (in case anyone was wondering for me Rumours of Death is Blakes 7’s finest hour…well finest 50 minutes anyway). The trouble with the Big Finish full cast audio is that it drags the battle out too much, which I think sucks some of the drama out of it.

It’s interesting that the episode shows that Blake’s fanaticism has its limits, and in the end he’ll take the Federation as the lesser of two evils. Travis’ ‘final act’ has always seemed a bit curious to me. Firstly whilst he’s clearly a nutter, it’s a stretch to imagine he’d want to wipe out humanity, and secondly how the hell did he contact the Andromedans?
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Old March 17 2014, 08:39 PM   #197
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I still don't understand Travis' motivation.

Where they going to give him Earth, or was he just trying to piss off Servelan?
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Old March 17 2014, 10:53 PM   #198
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Travis’ ‘final act’ has always seemed a bit curious to me. Firstly whilst he’s clearly a nutter, it’s a stretch to imagine he’d want to wipe out humanity, and secondly how the hell did he contact the Andromedans?
Like many of Terry Nation's scripts, I try not to look past the gloss for the substance. Travis clearly arrived at Star one in an Andromedan vessel, as hinted by Orac and Vila. The antimatter minefield has been in place for several hundred years, and so clearly the Andromedans somehow breached it and contacted Travis, who promised to find the location of Star One and help remove the rest of it. Hell, are we even sure that WAS Travis? It could've been an Andromedan. After all, he does look slightly different from when we saw him last on Aristo...

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Old March 17 2014, 11:34 PM   #199
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The mine field would have been put up after the last Andromedan invasion.

And before the first Andromedan war, even if it wasn't that long before the war, just because the Federation hadn't noticed them yet, the Andromedan's would have wandered around free and friendly... They could have colony worlds inside the Milkyway, or they would be working as fifth columns in secret on the Federation side of the antimatter minefield and had been waiting a hundred years for a call to arms.

Point is, they didn't have to get past the mine field if they were already there, but if they were already there, why did they need a punk like Travis to wedge a hole in the line?
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Old March 18 2014, 12:23 AM   #200
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The mine field would have been put up after the last Andromedan invasion.

And before the first Andromedan war, even if it wasn't that long before the war, just because the Federation hadn't noticed them yet, the Andromedan's would have wandered around free and friendly... They could have colony worlds inside the Milkyway, or they would be working as fifth columns in secret on the Federation side of the antimatter minefield and had been waiting a hundred years for a call to arms.

Point is, they didn't have to get past the mine field if they were already there, but if they were already there, why did they need a punk like Travis to wedge a hole in the line?
As Orac proposed, a scout ship came through with a handful of Andromedans "some time in the past", and at some stage made contact with the Federation/Travis. They needed him to track down Star One as they didn't know where it was, and as that is where the minefield is being controlled from they couldn't launch their invasion until it was down.

Judging by what was happening on Star One they only found it within the last two months, as indicated by the issues on colony worlds at the start of the episode ("in the last 60 days"). Clearly the Andromedans were either;

- messing with systems to cause havoc
- messing with systems to find the way in to disable the minefield
- the fact the Star One humans had been killed and replaced then their responsibilities lapses and the colonies fell into disarray

I don't know if there was a war but the encounter clearly scared the Federation enough to put up a series of minefields around the galaxy.

Travis was using Blake to find Star One.
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Old March 18 2014, 09:15 AM   #201
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C02: POWERPLAY

Nation does a good job knitting three storylines together. Dayna takes a backseat this episode as Tarrant's turn for introductions. An opportunist like Avon, Tarrant sees the opportunity to use the Liberator to escape his removes the Federation death squad one at a time rather than shoot them all in one go. Michael Sheard is great to watch as always, despite simply playing a thug in this episode. Vila's storyline has an obvious outcome but Michael Keating plays the guillible fool well. Cally does little for the second time this season, and Servalan seems to only appear for the sake of it. The new crew are good, although one must wonder why the (in universe) automated search for Jenna and Blake was called off.
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Old March 18 2014, 10:08 AM   #202
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C03: VOLCANO

A slow story with lots of on screen bloopers. Cally gives the incorrect number of Federation intruders, her bracelet falls off when she's about to teleport, Tarrant's weapon is disconnected in a couple of shots, despite destroying several pursuit ships the original eight are seen pulling away etc. Another situation where others have control of the Liberator and allow it to slip from their grasp. Michael Gough is awesome as always but his character is lacking any oomf, as is pretty much anyone else in the episode. Servalan's new ship looks like a humpback whale. The one interesting thing I find from the whole episode is Servalan's comment that without Blake the Liberator is no threat to the Federation - and she's right.
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Old March 18 2014, 11:26 AM   #203
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I got the impression that the mine field beyond Star One had been in place for some time, possibly even centuries.

I really like Power Play. Although Avon’s been a prisoner on his own ship before, it still feels like unfamiliar territory, and the addition of Tarrant spices things up. The only misstep is the final confrontation which isn’t well handled, and whilst Dayna convinces with a gun, she doesn’t look like she could really snap Mr Bronson’s neck. The B story following Vila and Cally is interesting, like you say Cally gets short shrift but though contrived it is a good way to get them both together and back to the Liberator. The actions of the people of Chenga disturbed me greatly as a child.

Volcano is only interesting for pairing Tarrant and Dayna for the first time, and they will continue to make for a good partnership right to the end. The pacifist civilisation is interesting but pretty horrible when you think about it.

As for the Liberator being no threat, I believe what Servalan says is that it isn’t an immediate threat without Blake, it’s still on her to do list though!
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Old March 18 2014, 06:26 PM   #204
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I got the impression that the mine field beyond Star One had been in place for some time, possibly even centuries.
It's funny how they give that impression and yet, according to Pressure Point and Gambit, Star One has only been there 30 years, and the crew rotated fairly regularly (I say rotated, the existing crew are likely killed to maintain the secret). Dureena must have arrived fairly recently as that bloke was fond of her.

My point - how was the minefield controlled before Star One? From Control on Earth?
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Old March 18 2014, 10:15 PM   #205
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Billions of Trillions of mines.

Surrounding the entire milky way.

That's impossible.

Especially for the tech that we have seen.

Look how difficult it was to mine the wormhole in DS9.
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Old March 18 2014, 11:09 PM   #206
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It wasn't the entire galaxy; Orac said "various sections".
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Old March 18 2014, 11:21 PM   #207
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We saw how well that worked out for the French in either World War.

I suppose circumnavigating the minefield would alert the Federation fleet to the Andromdeans existence, but it would seem that they knew where it was that that could have arranged to intersect the Milky ways boundary where it wasn't.
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Old March 19 2014, 09:39 AM   #208
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C04: DAWN OF THE GODS

Not a bad little stand alone, even if the main baddie is barely used or seen. Avon trying to get into a space suit as they're flying into the black hole is odd, though not as bad as Tarrant's line about they should all die together. Orac is on form in this episode, wanting to explore the black hole rather than worry about their own safety. The footage of the crew avoiding the shopping trolley with teeth is daft. The new standing set of the crew quarters is reused again in this episode as the medical unit. Nice to see the old defense mechanism from Space Fall, although with such a good continuity nod I would've thought Crandor being in the 12th Sector might've also generated a mention of the System. Interesting FX shot at the end; Crandor's destruction is an unused FX shot of the Liberator exploding - was it supposed to be used in the unseen version of Star One? Or a really early unused shot from Orac/Redemption? One of the few episodes where the teleport isn't used at all.

C05: THE HARVEST OF KAIROS

Despite the poor production values of the beasts and the bizarre choice for the ship on Kairos (a 1000 year old Lunar lander?), this is one of my favourite episodes of the third series. Jarvik is cool, calm and oh-so-chauvinist, and more importantly not the standard one-dimensional lackey Servalan hires each week. Avon's subplot with the Sophron is brilliant, highlighting ever so slightly his personal agenda and it's great to see his appreciation for something new. Jarvik and Tarrant's fight is painful to watch, though the Jarvik/Dayna is awesome just for that pelvis thrust attack move. The shots of Servalan aboard the Liberator for the first time is worth the price of admission alone. Still, they really need to move away from the "Liberator falls into enemy hands" storyline as you know it'll all go pear shape at the end, and this episode has a shockingly bad way of doing it.
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C06: THE CITY AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD

Vila's episode is filled with great lines from Michael Keating but Colin Baker - while great casting at the time - just comes across as the sixth Doctor, and it's very hard to shake. Tarrant's arrogance has been growing all season and it comes to a head this episode which almost sees Vila and Cally dead. The starship carrying the other Stargate- I mean terminus arrives at the other planet all too easily timed for my liking. Kerril goes from vicious Bayban footsoldier to Doctor Who companion when she changes her outfit.
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Old March 19 2014, 12:40 PM   #210
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ORAC I see no cause for alarm. From the design and construction patterns it would appear that the defence zones have been built up very gradually over a long period of time. My conclusion is that they are merely precautionary rather than a response to some specific threat.
JENNA Well if there's no threat why bother with precautions?
ORAC If the resources are available to eliminate even the vaguest threat, it would seem logical to do so.
VILA I'd agree with that. What do you call a vague threat?
ORAC A contact, er, sometime in the past, either a communication or a physical contact.
VILA A physical contact?
ORAC A scoutship, perhaps.
VILA A scoutship, perhaps! Like that one down on the surface now, perhaps! ]
Just because the mine field is controlled by Star One currently, it doesn’t mean it always was. And Vila’s making a bit of a leap to connect Orac’s vague notion of a scoutship in the past with what’s on the planet.

Dawn of the Gods is a bit meh, it’s not terrible, and it has its moments (Avon’s battle for the suit, Vila’s “I’m in hell and it’s full of Avons” line, Tarrant’s clever description of Orac) but I don’t find it that memorable.

Harvest of Kairos though, stupid though it is, I absolutely love. “Woman, you are beautiful!” Jarvik is both terrible and brilliant at the same time, though I’m not sure about suggesting that even Servalan secretly wants to be dominated, I think it does devalue her a little.

City at the Edge of the World is another favourite of mine which isn’t surprising given Vila’s always been my favourite character. Personally I think Colin was better suited to the role of Bayban than he ever was to that of the Doctor, and he and Keating bounce off each other well. Know what you mean about Keril though, she gives up the day job far too quickly, though it is good to see Vila score with a pretty girl.

I don’t think the ship’s arrival on Vila World is that fortuitous? I thought it’d been their ages but had malfunctioned meaning people thought they couldn’t get out even though they could as Vila and Keril did?

Tarrant is a git, which makes him interesting at least, and the spiky dynamic between him and Avon is good to watch, if only because unlike with Blake he doesn’t respect Tarrant, although the flipside is that Avon probably likes Tarrant more from the perspective that at least he’s as mercenary as he is. Avon’s comment that Vila is far more useful than Tarrant’s good as well: although Vila’s usefulness is sometimes outweighed quite literally by his weight of course

Gotta love that last exchange between Vila and Orac as well
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