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Old March 16 2014, 01:33 PM   #106
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6X13 Sacrifice (Series Finale)

No more Clone Wars

Great episode to end on though! While it was obviously make-believe, I absolutely loved seeing another Yoda Sidious duel. Those are my two favorite characters, and when we first saw them fighting in the trailer for ROTS I went absolutely bananas.

I do wonder if they're going too far with the revelations pre-ROTS, though. Yoda is told there is another Skywalker, but doesn't tell anyone this until after ROTS?

Why in the world did Yoda and Anakin bother to take some clones with them to fight the two Sith Lords???? They were CLEARLY going to be immediately killed

My one big nitpick. I've never heard of Morabund before. I thought Korriban or Ziost was the homeworld of the Sith. It looked exactly like Korriban from the KOTR games. Why not just call it Korriban?

To quote Wookiepedia: "The Sith Order was a sect of Force-sensitives who utilized the dark side of the Force. The term "Sith" originally referred to a species of aliens native to the planets Korriban and Ziost, who were later enslaved and ruled by exiled Dark Jedi from the Galactic Republic. "

I just realized we didn't get a single Grevious appearance in Season Six. They really stopped using him after Season One, didn't they??? So was his final appearance in 5X10 with the frog guy and the droids then?
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Old March 16 2014, 02:12 PM   #107
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I do wonder if they're going too far with the revelations pre-ROTS, though. Yoda is told there is another Skywalker, but doesn't tell anyone this until after ROTS?
Well, remember the context -- at this point, Luke and Leia haven't even been born yet. Probably this was in reference to Padme being pregnant (though I'm just guessing the timing allows for that).
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Old March 16 2014, 02:21 PM   #108
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Well, I'm off to re-read Darth Plagueis! Followed by Labyrinth of Evil and Dark Lord, probably...
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Old March 16 2014, 05:05 PM   #109
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My one big nitpick. I've never heard of Morabund before. I thought Korriban or Ziost was the homeworld of the Sith. It looked exactly like Korriban from the KOTR games. Why not just call it Korriban?
It is Korriban.
Apparently George Lucas liked the name Moraband better so that's why they changed it. But it's the same planet, just known under a different name at the time.
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Old March 16 2014, 05:25 PM   #110
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Yeah, much like Palpatine was once referred to as "Senate President" rather than Supreme Chancellor in books published prior to the launch of the Prequel Trilogy and firmly establishing terminology from that period in history. Same office, just a different title.

It's the same planet, just with a change to the spelling. They even sound almost the same so it's not like, say, the decision to alter the planned name of the Klingon Homeworld in Trek from "Kling" to "Qo'noS." A lot more obvious a change.
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Old March 16 2014, 08:19 PM   #111
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I'd say it's more like Arrakis becoming Rakis in the Dune novels. In the sense that it's the same word whose pronunciation has changed over the course of millennia.

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I do wonder if they're going too far with the revelations pre-ROTS, though. Yoda is told there is another Skywalker, but doesn't tell anyone this until after ROTS?
Well, remember the context -- at this point, Luke and Leia haven't even been born yet. Probably this was in reference to Padme being pregnant (though I'm just guessing the timing allows for that).
Assuming the end of the micro-series picks up right after this, it does actually line up quite. IIRC Kenobi & Anakin are stuck in a months long siege before the sequence of events that leads directly into the start of RotS, by which point she's got to be somewhere in the region of 7-8 months along, depending on how much time passes in the film itself. So yeah, in theory she should already be pregnant for most of the last season.

As for the "another Skywalker" line, I think it was more of a slightly out of context prescient thing, not merely a reference to Padme's pregnancy. They are Yoda's last words, which you even hear in the background delivered as they're heard in RotJ. "Another Skywalker" may be inaccurate (strictly speaking), but it's also true, from a certain point of view.

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Old March 17 2014, 07:11 PM   #112
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I just finished the season, so now I can read the thread...

I feel that, for an interrupted season, this worked quite well as a closing season for the series. The first two arcs were interesting conspiracy/thriller stories with dark endings, reinforcing the palpable sense of hopelessness of Episodes II & III as Palpatine manipulates everyone and consolidates his power. The Fives arc in particular worked very well as a paranoid thriller, and its inevitable tragic end was quite poignant. One of the best things about this series is that it took its title The Clone Wars to heart and actually made the series largely about the clones, making them as much central protagonists as any of the Jedi. And this was a great conclusion for the clones' arc. It reinforces their worth as people, and thus makes it more painful to know how Palpatine has used them as mere pawns in a game that we know he will win.

The Padme/Clovis arc wasn't as powerful, but it also played well into the arc of Palpatine's growing control, and it was a nice capper on the Anakin/Padme arc, forcing them to confront the problems of the relationship that's been pretty much simmering throughout the series while also foreshadowing the darker times that lie ahead. Few stories in this series have done a better job showcasing the potential for evil within Anakin.

The Mace/Jar-Jar 2-parter was a nice change of pace, lightening things up a bit, and it provided a satisfactory resolution to the Nightsisters' threat by evidently getting rid of Mother Talzin once and for all. And I liked the comic timing: Jar-Jar gets some action, and then we cut right to Mace saying "There is a great disturbance in the Force." Disturbing indeed...

And the Yoda arc made a really good series finale, as the Jedi finally begin to get a sense of the true manipulations behind the whole war and the foundations are laid for the future of the franchise. The finale of the Tartakovsky series led right into Episode III, but this finale foreshadows not only that, but the original trilogy as well (which makes it appropriate that they got Mark Hamill to play Darth Bane). Also nice to hear so much use of Williams's Yoda theme.

I'm curious about how far along these episodes were when the cancellation came. They've clearly had the opportunity to do some re-editing for Netflix, since at the points where it feels like there should be a fade to black for a commercial, we just get screen wipes or jump cuts. And the last episode's closing shot and alternate end title music was clearly a "made-for-finale" affair.
Agreed. Great way to end the series. I wonder how much of that was able to be tweaked once the cancellation was announced. Thinking about it now, Yoda's comments really play into his "wars not make one great" line to Luke when they first meet.
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Old March 17 2014, 07:13 PM   #113
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I do wonder if they're going too far with the revelations pre-ROTS, though. Yoda is told there is another Skywalker, but doesn't tell anyone this until after ROTS?
Well, remember the context -- at this point, Luke and Leia haven't even been born yet. Probably this was in reference to Padme being pregnant (though I'm just guessing the timing allows for that).
I took that as a prediction of the future. In fact, it made me think that those beings might be the force ghosts for the Jedi we know behind the masks. So that was future Yoda ghost guiding himself how to become Yoda ghost.
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Old March 17 2014, 07:24 PM   #114
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I rather like the introduction of the midi-chlorians in Star Wars.
So do I. I love the analogy of the biological with the spiritual. Mitochondria in real life are amazing, thought-provoking things -- symbiotic organisms to which we owe our very existence, at once separate life forms and inseparable parts of ourselves. Without the energy -- the "life force" -- they provide, we couldn't exist. I think that introducing a more mystical analogue for the same thing -- symbionts on which living things depend for their connection to the spiritual force of the universe -- is a lovely idea, kind of poetic. It also ties nicely into the Eastern philosophical influences on Star Wars. In Western thought, the physical and the spiritual are seen as separate and mutually exclusive realms, so the idea of something spiritual/mystical having a biological component is strange to us; but in Eastern thought, the physical and the spiritual are aspects of the same thing. Blending Asian-style mysticism with modern cellular biology is really quite clever. I think it's one of the only truly imaginative and original things George Lucas has ever thought of.
Really well stated, Christopher, I feel the exact same way.
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Old March 17 2014, 08:15 PM   #115
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I took that as a prediction of the future. In fact, it made me think that those beings might be the force ghosts for the Jedi we know behind the masks. So that was future Yoda ghost guiding himself how to become Yoda ghost.
That's a pretty interesting concept to consider. If being part of the living Force means that space and time basically have no meaning and one's conscious spirit can travel just about anywhere given enough skill then it's not outside the realm of possibility that post-ROTJ Spirit Yoda could be helping guide his younger self to ensure that certain events take place as they should.
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Old March 17 2014, 08:24 PM   #116
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I do wonder if they're going too far with the revelations pre-ROTS, though. Yoda is told there is another Skywalker, but doesn't tell anyone this until after ROTS?
Well, remember the context -- at this point, Luke and Leia haven't even been born yet. Probably this was in reference to Padme being pregnant (though I'm just guessing the timing allows for that).
I took that as a prediction of the future. In fact, it made me think that those beings might be the force ghosts for the Jedi we know behind the masks. So that was future Yoda ghost guiding himself how to become Yoda ghost.
I don't think so.

If anything I think these Priestesses are the most likely candidates to be the Whills, the mysterious alien beings whose Journal is suppose to be the basis for Star Wars.

We know that the Whills according to Qui-Gon in the scenes cut from the ROTS script first discovered how to be immortal within the Force (like these priestesses). It's also convenient of course the fact R2 was there with Yoda on the planet and according to Lucas he becomes one of the primary sources for the Journal.
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Old March 17 2014, 10:30 PM   #117
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Well, you know what they say -- where there's a Whill, there's a way.
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Old March 17 2014, 10:40 PM   #118
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I took that as a prediction of the future. In fact, it made me think that those beings might be the force ghosts for the Jedi we know behind the masks. So that was future Yoda ghost guiding himself how to become Yoda ghost.
That's a pretty interesting concept to consider. If being part of the living Force means that space and time basically have no meaning and one's conscious spirit can travel just about anywhere given enough skill then it's not outside the realm of possibility that post-ROTJ Spirit Yoda could be helping guide his younger self to ensure that certain events take place as they should.
They should leave the timey-wimey stuff to Doctor Who.
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The beings in question probably aren't any future Jedi spirits to begin with, but it would be an interesting spin. Hey, as long as the SW universe never goes bat guano crazy with the use of time travel like other franchises I would never be opposed to the idea of, say, Jedi possessing of tremendous Force powers contacting and communicating with certain beings existing in other time frames.

Hey, beats seeing more farting pack animals.
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Yeah, opting to conclude the Maul arc in the comics was a weak decision.
Which presupposes that they had a choice. I assume the episodes we got are ones they already had mostly completed at the point of cancellation, while the Maul one was in an earlier stage and thus actually animating it would've required money, time, and resources they just weren't given. So it was either a comic or nothing.
I would have greatly preferred nothing. No comic follow up whatsoever.

Why? Because then the fans would be in a more agreeable position to say to the showrunners at Rebels/Star Wars nu-film spin offs, etc: "Hey, do you think maybe at some point you could fix the gigantic error in judgment you made about bringing back a character from the dead (widely contemptuous among the fan base) only to leave the storyline hanging post-cancellation?"

Isn't it basically the same writing/production team? Seems like their mess to fix. On screen, not on paper. They did everything right (the stories were great) except for leaving the biggest loose end untied. Maul was the main villain of Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace. This isn't some random pirate or space thug, or one-off character without a name for the film version. It's. Freakin'. MAUL. His fate should be revealed on screen, as was his resurrection.

I know they don't have any obligation to the fans but, like I said, as fans the bargaining position is far greater sans comic conclusion.



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I couldn't agree more... the linear representation of the Star Wars universe is a welcome contrast to the rest of current, past and future sci fi offerings.
A time-traveling ghost would be interesting enough as its own story anyway!
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