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Old March 14 2014, 04:09 PM   #91
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Re: Star Wars The Clone Wars Season Six

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The thing that bugs me is the holographic technology itself. These guys have figured out artificial intelligence and faster-than-light travel, but they can't figure out how to broadcast in hi-def, or even in full color? I can excuse the scan lines and constant static for an interstellar transmission, with the assumption that there's bound to be interference over great distances. But even when characters call up holograms from their own desks, they still have the same heavy scan lines and ripples and fritzing, which is ridiculous. Why would anyone tolerate that? And how hard could it be to fix it?
Mayhap it's the Dark Side of the Force, clouding their (holographic) vision ...
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Old March 14 2014, 04:10 PM   #92
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The EU isn't canon so I have no problems with this
Well, after the events of ROTJ it's largely if not completely been discarded for the benefit of screenwriting and charting a new course. We know that. Disney jettisoned what would interfere with the Sequel Trilogy and that continuity, but pretty much everything else stands so far as I'm aware. For now anyways.

Hell, I don't know, I and others could be wrong thanks to Disney's decision to put the entire Expanded Universe under intensified scrutiny. Don't get me wrong, much if not most of the post-JEDI timeline can go for all I care and there are elements predating the Saga films I don't care for either, but Lucasfilm will end up retaining a great deal of the EU as official canon even if we don't agree with nor like the stories and characters.
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Old March 15 2014, 12:54 AM   #93
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-Yoda enlists Anakin's help to break him out of the Temple.... he walks him to a ship and he flies off. Wow, that was dramatic. Thank god he had Anakin there.
Yeah, but he wouldn't have been allowed to leave his room and wander the corridors at all if Anakin hadn't been escorting him. You don't have to get into a big fight in order to play an important role.


-This is a complaint for the series as a whole, but it was particularly egregious here. There is a brutal war going on, raging across the entire galaxy. So why is every single memeber of the Jedi Council sitting around the Temple doing absolutely nothing??? How many clones and innocents are dying while they're on vacation??? As far as I'm concerned there should be about ONE Council member at the Temple at any given time and the rest should be on hologram.
Err, there was a temporary ceasefire being observed for Life Day?

But seriously, in the SW universe it seems to take a matter of minutes to travel practically anywhere in the galaxy through hyperspace. So it wouldn't be that hard to commute from the Temple to any given crisis area.
There are any number of in-universe reasons as to why the full council was present in those scenes, but in the real world, you have to allow Filoni and the creators some leeway as I am sure they simply wished to have one last final view of all the main Jedi in that room. I mean, if it was my series and it was closing up shop, I would certainly take some creative liberties and indulge by showing the main Jedi cast all together again in the council chamber. I loved seeing them all there again, I could care less if it doesn't make logical sense.
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Old March 15 2014, 03:45 AM   #94
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I finally finished the season the other day and absolutely loved every episode! There wasn't a bad one IMO...even the Jar Jar two parter was bad ass, and I adored the finale and oh man I WAS NOT expecting who appeared to appear!!! I'll be checking out the Darth Maul arc mini-series comic, but I wish this had not been cancelled. I'm looking forward to "Rebels" but last season and this season proved the show was only getting better.
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Old March 15 2014, 12:42 PM   #95
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6X12 Destiny

only one more episode left ever :sob:

This one didn't have me geeking out as much as the Dagobah episode but it was very interesting. I guess these people are The Whills? It is very nice to actually how and where and why Yoda learned to become a Force ghost.

I also appreciate the definition this arc is giving between the Living and Cosmic Force, but I'm a little confused at this place being the birthplace of the midi-chlorians. I thought they were just a fundamental part of live in the GFFA like bacteria. If they started in one spot, how long did it take for them to permeate throughout the entire GFFA? And does that mean using the Force would only be native to the GFFA? Didn't the Vong used to have the Force before Sekot stripped it of them?

I'm slightly troubled at seeing Yoda's dark side as I always think of him as being the perfect Jedi, but he was able to conquer it... eventually...

Random thought: if Artoo knew Yoda this well, I'm curious to watch ESB again with that knowledge in mind.
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I also appreciate the definition this arc is giving between the Living and Cosmic Force, but I'm a little confused at this place being the birthplace of the midi-chlorians. I thought they were just a fundamental part of live in the GFFA like bacteria.
More like mitochondria, which they're clearly based on. Mitochondria are symbiotic organelles within our cells, and the source of our cellular energy. They were once separate organisms and they have their own DNA, but they evolved a symbiotic relationship with all cellular life and we're totally dependent on them for the biochemical energy -- the "force," if you will -- that powers our life processes.

My impression was that the planet was the source of all life in the galaxy, with midi-chlorians being a fundamental symbiotic element of that life just as mitochondria are for terrestrial life.


If they started in one spot, how long did it take for them to permeate throughout the entire GFFA?
Probably just a few billion years, according to what I can find on panspermia theory. This article (Section 5.1) suggests it would take 10 billion years if the entire galaxy had the same concentration of star-forming nebulae as our part of the galactic disk, but adds that the inner disk has about 5 times that concentration, so the spread would probably be considerably faster -- assuming that the GFFA is structured much like the Milky Way and that the origin system was near the core.


And does that mean using the Force would only be native to the GFFA? Didn't the Vong used to have the Force before Sekot stripped it of them?
One thing that's often misunderstood is that midi-chlorians don't create the Force, they just provide the interface with it. The Force -- at least the Cosmic Force -- is presumably universal. Beings from another galaxy may have evolved their own method of interfacing with the Force.


I'm slightly troubled at seeing Yoda's dark side as I always think of him as being the perfect Jedi, but he was able to conquer it... eventually...
Well, of course you can't eliminate your dark side, you can only master it.

What I liked was that Tom Kane's portrayal of Yoda's dark side was a much better Frank Oz impression than his Jedi Master Yoda generally is.
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Old March 15 2014, 04:49 PM   #97
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And also a pretty good Gollum impression.

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Yeah, with a number of recent releases I find that I both win some and lose some as far as commonly-disputed plot points are concerned. What's nice about the living Force/cosmic Force stuff in this arc is that it stomps all over certain misinformation about the living/unifying terminology that appeared in the Jedi Academy Training Manual and thus became more or less permanently entered into Wookieepedia: namely, the assertion that "living Force" and "unifying Force" are competing, divergent philosophies about the nature of the Force as opposed to complementary parts or aspects of the Force which coexist. In theory, we shouldn't have needed TCW to clarify who was right and who was wrong on this issue, since Wookieepedia's position was contradicted by Lucas in quotes appearing in The Making of Episode I, not to mention the presentation of the living Force in the TPM novel. But Wookieepedia appears to operate on the principle that anything printed in an officially licensed SW product is canon, period, to the exclusion of such things as critical thinking or fact-checking against the intent of the author who created the concepts in the first place.
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Old March 15 2014, 05:21 PM   #98
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Now that was a pretty solid final season for the series to end on. There were a couple of episodes I'd never rank among any of my favorites and I'd have added another arc or two to tie up more loose ends, but for what we got Season 6 was a lot of fun. Definitely a lot more satisfying for a SW and Clone Wars fan than having the final scene of the final episode be a character slowly walking away into the sunset with no other resolutions to the wider storyline and a lot of loose ends left dangling.
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Old March 15 2014, 06:17 PM   #99
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If only the conclusion to the Maul storyline had happened in one of these arcs as opposed to an upcoming comic. I gave up comics about 10-11 years ago and don't see myself going back anytime soon, and I really got into TCW's Maul.
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Yeah, opting to conclude the Maul arc in the comics was a weak decision. I'd much rather have seen and enjoyed two or three final Maul episodes than the Clovis arc and I imagine I'm far from the only one who thinks that.
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Old March 15 2014, 07:37 PM   #101
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Yeah, opting to conclude the Maul arc in the comics was a weak decision.
Which presupposes that they had a choice. I assume the episodes we got are ones they already had mostly completed at the point of cancellation, while the Maul one was in an earlier stage and thus actually animating it would've required money, time, and resources they just weren't given. So it was either a comic or nothing.
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Old March 15 2014, 09:24 PM   #102
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One thing that's often misunderstood is that midi-chlorians don't create the Force, they just provide the interface with it. The Force -- at least the Cosmic Force -- is presumably universal.
I rather like the introduction of the midi-chlorians in Star Wars. I always tried to compare and contrast it with Trek's Psionics.

In Star Wars, the Force is universal, everyone may have a little. In Trek, you have very little, or you become a god. In SW, it is evened out--at least until Force Unleashed.
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Which presupposes that they had a choice. I assume the episodes we got are ones they already had mostly completed at the point of cancellation, while the Maul one was in an earlier stage and thus actually animating it would've required money, time, and resources they just weren't given. So it was either a comic or nothing.
Maybe so. Either way it would have been preferable to get a two- or three-episode arc instead of a comic book that fewer people will see and bother to read, but as long as the Cyborg Maul storyline is resolved once and for all I suppose that's the most important thing.
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The Clovis episodes were actually held back from almost a year earlier in the production cycle for some reason, so those were in the can way before the cancellation. They were allowed to complete the work on the episodes already in the process of being animated, so they didn't get to choose to start new amazing episodes from scratch.
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I rather like the introduction of the midi-chlorians in Star Wars.
So do I. I love the analogy of the biological with the spiritual. Mitochondria in real life are amazing, thought-provoking things -- symbiotic organisms to which we owe our very existence, at once separate life forms and inseparable parts of ourselves. Without the energy -- the "life force" -- they provide, we couldn't exist. I think that introducing a more mystical analogue for the same thing -- symbionts on which living things depend for their connection to the spiritual force of the universe -- is a lovely idea, kind of poetic. It also ties nicely into the Eastern philosophical influences on Star Wars. In Western thought, the physical and the spiritual are seen as separate and mutually exclusive realms, so the idea of something spiritual/mystical having a biological component is strange to us; but in Eastern thought, the physical and the spiritual are aspects of the same thing. Blending Asian-style mysticism with modern cellular biology is really quite clever. I think it's one of the only truly imaginative and original things George Lucas has ever thought of.
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