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Old March 14 2014, 07:23 AM   #2971
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I'm still not recovered from Adama taking a leisurely 5 minutes out of the pilot to crash a brick through that Cylon's face till it looked like a bloodied doughnut.
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Old March 14 2014, 07:24 AM   #2972
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Do Neverland (aired in 2011) and Treasure Island (aired in 2012) not count?
Those were acquisitions rather than minis actually produced for Syfy, the same way shows like Bitten, Continuum, and Lost Girl are acquisitions while Defiance is produced for Syfy, although Neverland did premiere on Syfy a few days before it premiered on Sky Movies (its primary producer).

Come to think of it, The Phantom was developed primarily for Syfy, even though it premiered in Canada first, as was Riverworld. Those two are often referred to as TV movies even though they're of miniseries length because they ended up being aired on Syfy in a single night each. So I guess Deadline's assertion that Alice was the last Syfy miniseries needs some asterisks next to it.
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Old March 14 2014, 09:40 AM   #2973
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The miniseries sound promising-- Ringworld and Childhood's End are two of my favorite books-- but the characterization of Defiance and nuBSG as "thought provoking" and Haven and Warehouse 13 as "light" does not bode well at all.
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Old March 14 2014, 04:36 PM   #2974
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I don't watch Haven, but if you don't think Warehouse 13 is light, you may want to get your eyes checked. Warehouse 13 is about as "dark" as the 80's Buck Rogers.
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Old March 14 2014, 05:12 PM   #2975
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I don't watch Haven, but if you don't think Warehouse 13 is light, you may want to get your eyes checked. Warehouse 13 is about as "dark" as the 80's Buck Rogers.
You need to take your own advice. While it is mostly a light show, it's had some very dark, powerful, and emotionally intense moments. I defy anyone to watch the final moments of "Emily Lake" and call them superficial and fluffy.

It would be a huge mistake to assume a show can be only light or only dark. The best shows are a mix of both, just as life is a mix of both. Deep Space Nine was the grittiest, most intense, least optimistic Star Trek series, but it was also frequently the funniest Star Trek series.
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Old March 14 2014, 05:27 PM   #2976
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A few dark moments does not make the entire show "dark". I stand by my comment. Even Buck Rogers had some dark moments.
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Old March 14 2014, 06:07 PM   #2977
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^And I think that's an invalid comparison. Buck Rogers was cheesy and stupid. Warehouse 13 is fun, yes, but much more intelligent and rich.

And I wasn't saying it made the entire show dark. My whole point is that it's superficial and simplistic to try to reduce an entire show to a single adjective at all. If a show can be entirely characterized by a single syllable, then it can't be a very good show.
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Old March 14 2014, 06:43 PM   #2978
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And I wasn't saying it made the entire show dark. My whole point is that it's superficial and simplistic to try to reduce an entire show to a single adjective at all. If a show can be entirely characterized by a single syllable, then it can't be a very good show.
Then maybe you should be directing your posts to either RJD or the article he was indirectly referencing with the overly broad characterizations of "light" and "dark", because my comments were made in the context of his view on the subject.
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Old March 14 2014, 07:41 PM   #2979
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Going forward, Defiance, the $100 million gamble with a video game tie-in, and recent debut Helix (from Battlestar co-creator Ron Moore) are being viewed as steps toward what Syfy wants creatively: provocative, allegory-filled science fiction, unlike Syfy's lighter, more procedural formats of current Stephen King adaptation Haven or exiting Warehouse 13.
I'm not actually pleased to hear that. I like the lighter, more fun stuff like Eureka and Warehouse 13 more than the pretentiously dark stuff like Galactica and Defiance. W13 has managed to have very powerful and dramatic moments without having to be grim and brutal all the time.
Space Opera doesn't have to be grim and brutal. We can have lighter fun space operas. A lot of TOS would be a light/fun space opera. And a lot of Berman Trek is a mix between light and serious fun.
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Old March 14 2014, 08:15 PM   #2980
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Space Opera doesn't have to be grim and brutal. We can have lighter fun space operas.
Heck, that used to be a given. These days we use "space opera" as a catchall term for any space-based SF, but until the '90s or so, it was generally a somewhat derogatory term for a particular type of SF exemplified by the work of E.E. "Doc" Smith and Edmond Hamilton: light, fluffy, larger-than-life adventure stories featuring straightforward conflicts between pure good and pure evil and not a lot of focus on character development. Essentially, something like Star Wars.
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Old March 14 2014, 08:26 PM   #2981
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Old March 15 2014, 09:53 AM   #2982
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The term Space Opera has gained new traction in recent years, thanks to a new generation of writers giving it the credit it deserves. There's even an anthology called (I think) The Space Opera Renaissance. I'm happy with that, since I've always felt it was a legitimate genre. Space Opera can apply to anything from Buck Rogers to Forbidden Planet to Star Trek and even Foundation.

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Then maybe you should be directing your posts to either RJD or the article he was indirectly referencing with the overly broad characterizations of "light" and "dark", because my comments were made in the context of his view on the subject.
Actually, I agree with Christoper. I don't even like to acknowledge this "light" and "dark" business as it's come to be used in contemporary culture, which is why I put it in quotes. The idea that ponderous faux cynicism is somehow more substantive than more balanced fare, or that anything that doesn't exhibit ponderous faux cynicism is campy or cheesy, doesn't sit well with me at all.

As for Warehouse 13, it's certainly not nihilism porn, but it's not a situation comedy either. It's solid drama about characters that have a sense of humor (mostly). They dealt with Pete's alcoholism, Myka's cancer, Steve and Claudia's family issues, Artie's troubled past and present, and Leena's death, and they've done so in a manner that's far more mature and adult than most shows that try to impress us with how mature and adult they are.
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Old March 15 2014, 10:12 AM   #2983
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There is a season and a half of Starhunter on my hard drive.

I am exploring forgotten realms of awful none of you could possibly fathom.
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Old March 15 2014, 10:40 AM   #2984
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^^ Has any casting been announced?
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There is a season and a half of Starhunter on my hard drive.

I am exploring forgotten realms of awful none of you could possibly fathom.
I enjoy Starhunter, though the first Series DVD set has the first 8 or 9 episodes in a mixed up order
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