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Old March 14 2014, 02:42 PM   #1
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Why is Earth so poorly defended?

I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but...

In TMP, the Enterprise (which is undergoing a refit) is the only starship within three days of Earth as V'ger approaches.

In TWOK, the Enterprise (which is being used as a training vessel) is the only ship in the quadrant with Regula I (presumably near Earth, as the Enterprise has just left spacedock).

This suggests that although Earth is the capital of the United Federation of Planets and the location of Starfleet Headquarters, they don't routinely keep an active-duty starship anywhere nearby to defend it. Yet Starfleet happily sent three starships for strictly ceremonial purposes to the inauguration for the president of Altair VI. What is up with their priorities?
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Old March 14 2014, 02:59 PM   #2
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

Just how are you supposed to defend against something like V'ger?

Seems like it is defended well enough to repel conventional threats like the Klingons/Romulans etc
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Old March 14 2014, 03:17 PM   #3
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

Well, when V'ger came along, their solution was to send a starship. So the question remains, why don't they keep one around in good working order?
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Old March 14 2014, 03:30 PM   #4
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

You missed Generations, where the Enterprise-B is "the only ship in range"... somewhere between Earth and Neptune.
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Old March 14 2014, 03:53 PM   #5
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

It's possible there was a crisis going on elsewhere that had diverted other ships in the area. Sure it sounds like a weak excuse, but if we're trying to rationalize...

With regards to TMP, Starfleet may have also figured any ship less advanced than the E was likely to fare as well as the Klingon ships did. Why send ships that will just be destroyed with all hands if you have a better option?
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Old March 14 2014, 04:00 PM   #6
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

Was it TFF or TUC where they finally figured out how to say something like "Yeah, there are other ships, but you're the best man for the job Kirk." At least that is plausable, if not a somewhat damning statement about Starfleet training.
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Old March 14 2014, 04:40 PM   #7
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

BoredShipCapt'n wrote: View Post
In TWOK, the Enterprise (which is being used as a training vessel) is the only ship in the quadrant with Regula I (presumably near Earth, as the Enterprise has just left spacedock).
We don't know how much time passed between Enterprise leaving dry-dock and Kirk receiving Carol's message. And if I remember correctly, Kirk's line about the Enterprise being the only ship in the quadrant was intended to refer to the Beta Quadrant, something that actually makes it more plausible for Kruge and his men to reach Genesis undetected in the next film, as they were already in the relative vicinity.
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Old March 14 2014, 04:54 PM   #8
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

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And if I remember correctly, Kirk's line about the Enterprise being the only ship in the quadrant was intended to refer to the Beta Quadrant, something that actually makes it more plausible for Kruge and his men to reach Genesis undetected in the next film, as they were already in the relative vicinity.
TOS didn't use quadrants in the same strict was as the later series'--only TUC used it in the same format as TNG and the others--so the quadrant Kirk mentions might not be a quarter of the Milky Way.

As for Earth being poorly defended, it always does seem convenient that our heroes are the only ones that are near enough to save the day. Unless most of the fleet is on deployment, leaving planets to be defended by satellites and surface-to-orbit weaponry.
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Old March 14 2014, 05:01 PM   #9
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"You wanna defend a planet right? Do it yourself. Everyone is responsible for their own orbital defense platform." - Except from the Republican Defense Space Manual (out of print)
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Old March 14 2014, 05:07 PM   #10
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TOS didn't use quadrants in the same strict was as the later series'--only TUC used it in the same format as TNG and the others--so the quadrant Kirk mentions might not be a quarter of the Milky Way.
Good point, as TOS often used the term interchangeably with sector.

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As for Earth being poorly defended, it always does seem convenient that our heroes are the only ones that are near enough to save the day. Unless most of the fleet is on deployment, leaving planets to be defended by satellites and surface-to-orbit weaponry.
The only time I've taken issue with that is The Motion Picture. While the V'Ger problem was unforeseeable, it seems extremely poor planning on Starfleet's part to have only a single ship-- and a ship that's not finished, at that-- in the relative vicinity of Earth. TVH caught our heroes as they were coming back from Vulcan. TFF acknowledged that there were other ships but no experienced starship captains. And the Enterprise's involvement in TUC was orchestrated in part by Spock due to his relationship with Gorkon.
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Old March 14 2014, 05:25 PM   #11
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The use of the Enterprise despite not being quite ready in TMP would have actually been fairly easy to rationalise without making the rest of Start Fleet seem really inept. With the failure of the Klingon's showing that brute force wouldn't do it all you'd need to do is establish the Enterprise was stuffed full of the latest and most advanced scanning and scientific equipment (which was all working) and that was what was going to be needed to find out what the hell was going on with the cloud even if the engines were going to need a bit of work.

The mention that various other starships are staying in Earth orbit as a last ditch defensive cordon, but have V'ger's Mighty Glowing Balls de-power/destroy them as it comes into orbit (you could establish that in dialogue without having to show it).
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Old March 14 2014, 05:35 PM   #12
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

Why is Earth so poorly defended?

Because it isn't very dramatic if there are dozens of vessels around, all as capable of handling the crisis as the hero ship.
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Old March 14 2014, 05:51 PM   #13
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Kirby wrote: View Post
Was it TFF or TUC where they finally figured out how to say something like "Yeah, there are other ships, but you're the best man for the job Kirk." At least that is plausable, if not a somewhat damning statement about Starfleet training.
Which makes no sense, because even if Kirk was "the best man for the job," his ship clearly wasn't. So why didn't they just give Kirk command of the Excelsior for the Nimbus III mission instead?
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Old March 14 2014, 06:04 PM   #14
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Maybe nx2000 was still down from everything Scott did to it (for that matter, maybe that 'infection' jumped ship in spacedock and infected the -A ... rough justice in a way.)
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Old March 14 2014, 06:17 PM   #15
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Re: Why is Earth so poorly defended?

This is a common Star Trek Trope in not just the movies but in the TV series as well
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