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Old March 9 2014, 12:50 AM   #61
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

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Yes, he says he knows David exploring Genesis in his personal log at the movie's start.

EDIT: "My son. My life that could have been and wasn't." All I need to hear.
Ok, I didn't remember that part.

But still, Kirk's reaction to David's murder at the hands of the Klingons is understandable. Anything less, in my mind, would not have played well onscreen.
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Old March 9 2014, 05:33 AM   #62
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

Say what you will about Shatner's acting, between this, Spock's death and Edith Keeler he does grief quite well IMO.
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Old March 12 2014, 10:40 PM   #63
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Say what you will about Shatner's acting, between this, Spock's death and Edith Keeler he does grief quite well IMO.
I say Shatner is an outstanding actor and can provide multiple cites. Granted but for a few from 1979-1990ish, they are all pre 1968. But still.

As for the transporter scene. That and Ilia's death are why ST:TMP would be on my "Top Five Movies You Won't Believe are G-Rated."
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Old March 13 2014, 10:25 AM   #64
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[*]Reaching the Transporter Room with Scotty, he forcibly assists with corporate manslaughter (Kirk is more qualified to man the controls than a Transporter Specialist - REALLY?)
It is possible Kirk was being a good commander, knew the two people on the transporter were about to die horribly whatever was done and he wanted to take the responsibility away from Rand, rather than stand there and watch.
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[*]Reaching the Transporter Room with Scotty, he forcibly assists with corporate manslaughter (Kirk is more qualified to man the controls than a Transporter Specialist - REALLY?)
It is possible Kirk was being a good commander, knew the two people on the transporter were about to die horribly whatever was done and he wanted to take the responsibility away from Rand, rather than stand there and watch.
FWIW, the novelization says that the navigator who dies with Sonak is Kirk's girlfriend, which also might contribute to his decision to take the controls.

Of course that's not canon, and I'm not entirely comfortable with it. His instruction to Starfleet to convey his condolences to the families seems kind of impersonal if one of the casualties was his girlfriend.

The idea does add an interesting subtext to Decker's angry rebuke to Kirk, "This is how I define unwarranted!" Decker is understandably upset that Kirk's pushing has cost the life of the woman Decker loves, but it has also cost the life of the woman Kirk loves, so it isn't like Kirk doesn't understand the personal cost of this mission just as well as Decker.
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