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Old March 11 2014, 06:01 PM   #316
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Or if maybe they did do it and it was cut for time?

Or it could be duplicating the results couldn't be done due to time limitations. I mean to make a cannon that could survive multiple uses it'd probably have to be pretty big and well built so it'd probably just not be practical to make such a thing.
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Old March 11 2014, 07:27 PM   #317
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Well, we've known all along that Discovery cuts up to 7 minutes out of each episode to make room for commercials. That's why there's so much "extra" footage available on the website. (And it annoys me that the DVDs don't restore the episodes to their full length.)
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Old March 12 2014, 01:09 PM   #318
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^That is annoying. I haven't purchased any but I'd certainly expect to see that type of thing on the sets.
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Old March 12 2014, 02:16 PM   #319
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^Indeed, the episodes available for streaming on Netflix sometimes have material cut out -- specifically movie clips whose rights must have lapsed. Not sure if that's true for the DVDs as well. But it gets awkward sometimes when the setup for the myth is explained by the movie clips. In that one about using a harpoon and blasting caps to blow up a shark, it just jumps to the team starting to test the myth without any prior exposition of what they're testing.

In cases like that, it seems it would've been a good idea to produce alternate, animated exposition sequences, like the ones they use to recreate movie scenes they don't have the rights to. Then they'd have backups in case their license to the actual clips expired.
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Old March 12 2014, 03:30 PM   #320
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That reminds me of something. I wonder if the production could have gotten the rights to depict a shot or two from Trek's "Arena" at a reasonable fee, but opted to create their own sequences just because they wanted to go "full fanboy" and have some fun cosplaying?

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Old March 12 2014, 04:29 PM   #321
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That reminds me of something. I wonder if the production could have gotten the rights to depict a shot or two from Trek's "Arena" at a reasonable fee, but opted to create their own sequences just because they wanted to go "full fanboy" and have some fun cosplaying?
Do you even have to ask?
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Old May 26 2014, 09:03 PM   #322
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*Finally* the MythBusters Star Wars special airs in the UK! About fucking time.
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Old July 11 2014, 12:27 AM   #323
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Belated heads-up: Mythbusters season premiere is tonight at 9 Eastern on Discovery!
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Old July 11 2014, 03:06 AM   #324
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"Oh, joy," I thought sarcastically at the beginning, "it's another bunch of explosions." But this actually turned out to be a really solid and interesting episode.

Shooting grenades:

They said that shooting a grenade out of midair is a standard action-movie trick, but I can't recall ever having seen it. Can anyone think of a movie where this was done?

I can't believe Jamie let Adam shoot his beret! What's next, letting his white shirt get dirty?

And I had no idea clay pigeons were so small. But then, they don't call them clay falcons, I guess.

I love the sound the paintball "grenades" made when fired from Jamie's pop gun. You can't hear it without laughing.

And I really like Adam and Jamie's firearm discipline, their refusal to fire bullets into the air. Paintballs sufficed for proof of concept. Although... if someone throws a grenade at you, wouldn't you be better off running than standing your ground and shooting? It wouldn't take that long to get 12 feet or more from the impact zone, so you could probably do it in the same amount of time it'd take to fire off a full clip at an incoming grenade. So it seems like a pretty bad idea for a variety of reasons. Or no, wait, turns out 12 feet was for the "dynamite" in the other myth. A 45-foot kill zone? Man, grenades are scary things.

But I think Jamie's bomb-disposal robot is even scarier. A baby doll head, Jamie?? WHY??????

The results were really fascinating. I loved how counterintuitive they were. And it was nicely informative too -- not only did Jamie explain how a grenade works, but the results illustrated the anatomy of a grenade very well and revealed a lot about them. There's an explosive powder around a fuse and a blasting cap, and compromising the containment and spilling the powder will prevent the explosion -- but if you hit it hard enough, you trigger the blasting cap because it's moderately shock-sensitive. (Umm, does that mean one of those grenades could blow up if it fell from a great height or if something heavy fell on it, or does it have to be a shock as potent as one of those rifle bullets? What if a grenade were hit by the blast wave from another grenade?)

I am wondering, though, what they did about all that TNT dust left lying around after they broke open the grenades. It seems like something they'd want to ignite and burn off before they left, just to ensure there was no further risk. Or does it have to be packed to a certain density before it becomes dangerous?


Containing explosions:

It did my heart good to hear the junior team go into a discussion about the science behind C4. Hopefully it's a sign that the show is getting back to its scientific roots, and that the junior team will be getting more careful with their methodology.

No surprise the filing cabinet didn't help contain the explosion; they had similar results with a refrigerator. Really surprising that the mattress did work so well, but I guess it was flexible enough to absorb a lot of the shock. As for the aquarium, I was with Grant, figuring it was a no-brainer that the incompressible water would just transmit the force. But the conclusion was fascinating -- that it's not about containing the force of the blast, it's about directing it away from yourself. That's really cool.

The pacing on the garbage-truck segment was startlingly fast, just racing through the procedure. I guess they had a lot to cram into the episode. On the one hand, it was kind of nice to see them take another stab at the blow-up-a-whole-truck thing and get the high-speed shot they didn't get the first time. But on the other hand, it wasn't really an experiment, just an indulgence. Okay, the first was an indulgence too, but it seemed more justified, since it did technically fit the myth question of "how big an explosion would it take to break up the dried cement?" Also, while the high-speed was interesting (why was the explosion purple?), and the sight of all that debris flying hundreds of feet in the air was kind of scary, I'm afraid the sound of this explosion wasn't as unique and fascinating as the "pfeeoom!" sound made by the original cement-truck explosion. I wonder if that explosion was muffled somewhat by all the cement? Or maybe it was something to do with the shape of the vessel? Kind of like a musical instrument?
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Old July 11 2014, 04:31 AM   #325
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They said that shooting a grenade out of midair is a standard action-movie trick, but I can't recall ever having seen it. Can anyone think of a movie where this was done?
Not quite the same thing as hitting the grenade with bullets, but the only one where I can recall something similar happening off the top of my head was in the Michael J. Fox/Sean Penn Vietnam film Casualties of War. A Vietnamese soldier lobs a hand grenade at Fox, and he uses his M79 grenade launcher to shoot it in midair with a single shot and blows it up.

I can recall several movies where someone throws or hits a grenade back, but shooting them in midair doesn't spring to mind. I'm sure it's happened, but it's certainly not very common.
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Old July 12 2014, 09:08 PM   #326
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The mattress doesn't surprise me as much--explosions actually impress me less and less over time.

I've even heard it said that a stick of butter actually has more energy than a stick of C4--it just doesn't release as much at once.

Kinetic energy and pressure vessels--that's where its at.

Seeing water heaters go up like Sea Dragon--that's the power of pressure-feds for you.

It wasn't long ago that the mesocyclone of the Tuscaloosa Birmingham tornado went over my house. The Castle Bravo runaway blast wouldn't have scared me as badly as seeing that slow motion death machine overhead.
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Old July 12 2014, 09:14 PM   #327
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Not quite the same thing as hitting the grenade with bullets, but the only one where I can recall something similar happening off the top of my head was in the Michael J. Fox/Sean Penn Vietnam film Casualties of War. A Vietnamese soldier lobs a hand grenade at Fox, and he uses his M79 grenade launcher to shoot it in midair with a single shot and blows it up.

I can recall several movies where someone throws or hits a grenade back, but shooting them in midair doesn't spring to mind. I'm sure it's happened, but it's certainly not very common.
In RED, John Malkovich's character went face to face with an RPG with a big ass revolver. Not only did his shoot intercept the RPG, it caused the blast to shoot straight back at its source.

Of course, it doesn't matter one iota if it's plausible or not, because that was cinematic awesomeness.

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Old July 13 2014, 02:17 PM   #328
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Not quite the same thing as hitting the grenade with bullets, but the only one where I can recall something similar happening off the top of my head was in the Michael J. Fox/Sean Penn Vietnam film Casualties of War. A Vietnamese soldier lobs a hand grenade at Fox, and he uses his M79 grenade launcher to shoot it in midair with a single shot and blows it up.

I can recall several movies where someone throws or hits a grenade back, but shooting them in midair doesn't spring to mind. I'm sure it's happened, but it's certainly not very common.
In RED, John Malkovich's character went face to face with an RPG with a big ass revolver. Not only did his shoot intercept the RPG, it caused the blast to shoot straight back at its source.

Of course, it doesn't matter one iota if it's plausible or not, because that was cinematic awesomeness.
Mythbusters recreated that in an episode, I think it was last season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5elJNyLVEQ
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Old July 14 2014, 01:21 AM   #329
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Of course, they were missing the key ingredient...John Malkovich
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Old July 18 2014, 03:05 AM   #330
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Household disasters:

Flammable sunblock: Pretty straightforward. Butane, propane and alcohol are flammable -- what a surprise. But I'm glad they didn't have their pig carcass "griller" barbecuing ribs or pork sausage or something -- that would've been even more creepy than it was already.


Vacuum cleaner/gunpowder: I'm more curious about the alleged circumstances behind the myth. Someone "making his own ammo in the living room?" Is that legal? Or is this myth about a survivalist or gangster or something?

Also I'm surprised at how large the grains of black "powder" were. It was more like pebbles than powder.

And they didn't really try to replicate the result, I thought. They should've tried rigging a short circuit that would reach the black powder, some vaguely plausible scenario for the myth. Instead they just blew it up for the hell of it and called that replicating the result.


Piano drop: I think this was my favorite one. That high-speed shot of the grand piano falling through the air was a thing of beauty. That thing was amazingly well-balanced! It fell perfectly upright, no wobbling or tumbling, until it hit the roof. Remarkable. And I should've predicted the result -- all the weight was concentrated on three points, the legs, so they'd just punch through the roof and there wouldn't be wide enough structural compromise for the whole thing to penetrate. I wish they'd tried dropping it with the narrow rear part pointing down. That might've given a better result.

This one was kind of dear to my heart, because I remember my father telling me stories about how a coworker of his at the radio station had a history of dropping pianos from helicopters. I don't recall if I ever got a clear explanation for why or in what context he did this, but it's just this weird, outrageous, random tidbit of the sort you never forget.


Water heater putting out fire: Ooh, too bad about Adam breaking his hand. Anyway, the result was pretty much what I expected: that the spray of water was too broadly distributed to put out the fire, and that the blast would destroy the structure anyway so it would be a Pyrrhic victory at best. Actually it was the configuration of the "living room" that made me skeptical -- the wastebasket was shielded from the spray of water by the couch. If they'd started the fire on the other side of the couch, it might've worked -- well, in the sense that the shattered pile of rubble that used to be the house would at least no longer be on fire.

I wonder why, if it was fire season, they risked doing the experiment so close to the trees and grass and stuff. Why not take it out to the desert or a quarry?
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