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Old March 11 2014, 08:34 PM   #16
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Re: Why do people judge gamers?

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I know very few people that don't play video games, so I honestly have no idea who the OP is talking about.
I don't !

I used to back in the Megadrive/PS1 days but I found gaming got very boring after about 30 minutes, whatever the game.

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And games are the next big storytelling medium, TV and movies will die sooner or later.
Yes they are, my sons Last of Us and GTAV games are very well done, but they won't replace TV and movies any more than TV and movies replaced books.

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Historically, people always judge other people who are into things they aren't into or just don't understand.
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It's not a subculture unless it has another subculture to look down on.
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Old March 11 2014, 09:44 PM   #17
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Yes they are, my sons Last of Us and GTAV games are very well done, but they won't replace TV and movies any more than TV and movies replaced books.
But you can already see the shift to games from an industry point of view: high profile actors playing the main characters, Hollywood film composers doing the music, etc...
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Old March 11 2014, 09:55 PM   #18
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Re: Why do people judge gamers?

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Yes they are, my sons Last of Us and GTAV games are very well done, but they won't replace TV and movies any more than TV and movies replaced books.
But you can already see the shift to games from an industry point of view: high profile actors playing the main characters, Hollywood film composers doing the music, etc...
The Last of Us is not a replacement for television. That's a ridiculous claim to make.
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Old March 11 2014, 10:38 PM   #19
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My sons and I have very fond memories of playing Monkey Island, Indiana Jones, Sam and Max etc as a family 20 years ago. Nowadays I tend to play solo games but my tend to play multiplayer games online.
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Old March 11 2014, 11:30 PM   #20
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Anime fans, on the other hand...
What a bunch of nerds.
Can't get any worse than "Trekkers"..
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Old March 12 2014, 12:16 AM   #21
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The thing is though there's little or no overlap between what makes a good video game story and what makes a good film story. Last Of Us would make a boring TV series, and 12 Years A Slave would make a terrible video game. The two satisfy very different needs, neither could possibly substitute for the other. Nobody would ever want to play Crime And Punishment and earn the 'Murdered Unpleasant Lady' trophy.

Even when they put a video game in the same world as a TV series they have to tell a different kind of story to make either work.
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Old March 12 2014, 12:17 AM   #22
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Re: Why do people judge gamers?

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Yes they are, my sons Last of Us and GTAV games are very well done, but they won't replace TV and movies any more than TV and movies replaced books.
But you can already see the shift to games from an industry point of view: high profile actors playing the main characters, Hollywood film composers doing the music, etc...
And games will settle in comfortably alongside film and TV as the medium continues to mature.

It's an 'as well as' scenario, not an 'either or'.
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Old March 12 2014, 12:23 AM   #23
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My sons and I have very fond memories of playing Monkey Island, Indiana Jones, Sam and Max etc as a family 20 years ago. Nowadays I tend to play solo games but my tend to play multiplayer games online.
Gaming is a solitary experience for me, unless someone is in the same room. No one in my family, except me, really plays and that exception also covers, for me, sci-fi.
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Old March 12 2014, 02:40 AM   #24
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Yes they are, my sons Last of Us and GTAV games are very well done, but they won't replace TV and movies any more than TV and movies replaced books.
But you can already see the shift to games from an industry point of view: high profile actors playing the main characters, Hollywood film composers doing the music, etc...
The Last of Us is not a replacement for television. That's a ridiculous claim to make.
It was so ridiculous, kittens died! But who actually made that claim?

Investing your free time into 40 hours of gameplay is like investing it into two seasons of a TV show. Production and marketing budgets of games are as big as those for summer tentpole films. And the return is even greater. And the trend that big movie stars turn more and more to TV shows is going to be repeated with big movie and TV stars turning to games. Some games's stories are so complex that you would be able to turn it into a season of episodes instead of a 2-3 hour movie.

And for me personally, gaming has already replaced television a great deal. So keep your condescending attitude someplace else. But ironically, it answers the thread question. Why do people judge gamers? Because the whole video game genre isn't taken seriously as a storytelling medium, even though it actually is.
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Old March 12 2014, 03:42 AM   #25
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People are certainly putting more effort and paying more attention into video game stories, that's been true since Final Fantasy 7. But again, you don't play video games for the same reason you watch film.

If holodecks existed in real life, they wouldn't be holoprograms of novels, they'd be more like Mass Effect, programs where your decisions affect the story and you can live out your suppressed fantasies. Video games and movies satisfy different regions of your brain. One could never replace the other.
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Old March 16 2014, 02:30 PM   #26
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People are certainly putting more effort and paying more attention into video game stories, that's been true since Final Fantasy 7. But again, you don't play video games for the same reason you watch film.

If holodecks existed in real life, they wouldn't be holoprograms of novels, they'd be more like Mass Effect, programs where your decisions affect the story and you can live out your suppressed fantasies. Video games and movies satisfy different regions of your brain. One could never replace the other.
True. Personally, I don't want my entertainment to be interactive, hence my preference for books and films and dislike of gaming.
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Old March 16 2014, 02:55 PM   #27
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Why do people judge gamers?
Well, I don't think they do. At least, not as much as they used to.

I think there's more acceptance of gaming as a proper, adult entertainment medium than ever has been before.

It helps that todays bright young things are a generation now who've never NOT had video games around. Even the previous generation were people for whom games were new and shiny, but todays twenty and thirty year olds never had a time in their life where video games did not exist. And these are the guys who are entering other industries like movies and television, so some of that pop-cultural acceptance is beginning to sink through to the mainstream. Thank goodness, it's taken long enough.

I think up until recently (maybe even still within an older demographic) the old perceptions did still exist. Certainly movies and TV have always been wary of video games, because they were for so long the 'new media' and were considered by some within the entertainment industry, particularly within television, to be a genuine threat as a medium of entertainment capital. So there was this broad distrust of video games from even within the entertainment sector, and that seeped out into the media (and the public) more generally.

But I do think there's definitely a greater acceptance of gaming now.
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Old March 30 2014, 03:15 PM   #28
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^ I was going to say, the OP's "people" are in the process of quite literally dying out.
And they're having little to no fun while doing it.
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Old March 30 2014, 03:24 PM   #29
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^ I was going to say, the OP's "people" are in the process of quite literally dying out.
And they're having little to no fun while doing it.
You can't assume that.

I've played games and find it little or no fun, whereas rock music, films, TV and particularly reading provide huge amounts of entertainment...

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Old March 30 2014, 05:36 PM   #30
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Re: Why do people judge gamers?

It's in some peoples nature to judge others, this is not limited to judging on them if they are a gamer or not. People who watch Sci-Fi can be viewed negatively as well, as well as a host of other interests if the person judging them doesn't share them or understand them.

Wouldn't it be a lot better if people accepted that others might have interests which they don't share. I'm not an avid sports fan but I accept that it brings enjoyment to others. So if I enjoy Sci-Fi hows that any different?
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