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Old March 9 2014, 06:18 PM   #31
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The ski chase at the end of the first episode was particularly clever.
I dig bounty hunter Embo and his takuhatsugasa hat. He's voiced by Dave Filoni which would be cool enough but according to wookieepedia his language is created by using a badly enunciated reading of French Smurf comic books which just makes me smile.
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Old March 9 2014, 08:20 PM   #32
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I thought I recognised the voice of Darth Bane, but it was still a nice surprise to see in the credits that it was none other than Mark Hamill! A nice bit of symmetry there.

I also liked the design for Bane himself as he looks very Vader-like, giving some retroactive significance to the look of Vader's iconic armour and helmet. Personally I never cared for the EU design. Looked a little too ornate for my taste and the helmet looked like a lump of coral growing out of his head.

Indeed, there's nothing about the Yoda arc I didn't like. They even gave some much needed context to the midichlorians.
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Old March 9 2014, 08:21 PM   #33
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Embo has always been an entertaining presence in the series. I'm glad they found a way to work him into the final episodes as he has a bit of a following in the fanbase even if it's not as vocal nor strong as, say, Cad Bane's.
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Old March 9 2014, 08:22 PM   #34
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Aaaaaah! Spoilers. :sobs:
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Old March 9 2014, 09:01 PM   #35
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They even gave some much needed context to the midichlorians.
By telling us that the midichlorians come from a specific planet? Was that "much needed"?

Anything else they said about the midichlorians was already told to us in 1999.
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Old March 9 2014, 09:06 PM   #36
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Aaaaaah! Spoilers. :sobs:
Sorry mate, I just assumed this was a spoiler thread. It's why I avoided reading it until I'd watched all of them.

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They even gave some much needed context to the midichlorians.
By telling us that the midichlorians come from a specific planet? Was that "much needed"?

Anything else they said about the midichlorians was already told to us in 1999.
Not so much their specific origins as their relationship with the living force and the cosmic force (the latter is a term I don't think I've ever encountered before.)

And by much needed context, I mean more than what we had which was no context at all.
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Old March 9 2014, 09:07 PM   #37
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All the context and background information in that galaxy wouldn't make many fans accept nor like the concept of midichlorians, but that's a different thread topic altogether.
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Old March 9 2014, 09:27 PM   #38
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All the context and background information in that galaxy wouldn't make many fans accept nor like the concept of midichlorians, but that's a different thread topic altogether.
I didn't say I liked it, nor that I expected you specifically to accept it, just that given the circumstances, some context was preferable than none at all.

Honestly I think it'd work as well if not better if they were simply cut out of the equation. But they're there whether we like them or not so they may as well be internally consistent.
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Old March 9 2014, 09:34 PM   #39
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Not so much their specific origins as their relationship with the living force and the cosmic force (the latter is a term I don't think I've ever encountered before.)
The cosmic force seems to be synonymous with the unifying force, a term used in the previously published materials.

However the midichlorians as ones connection to the Force was spelled out in TPM. It's seems more like your problems with TPM was more how it presented the information.
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Old March 9 2014, 10:03 PM   #40
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^Yeah, I believe I've used the word "context" like five times now.
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Old March 9 2014, 10:07 PM   #41
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All the context and background information in that galaxy wouldn't make many fans accept nor like the concept of midichlorians, but that's a different thread topic altogether.
I didn't say I liked it, nor that I expected you specifically to accept it, just that given the circumstances, some context was preferable than none at all.
No, that wasn't directed and you and I didn't want to imply I'm the big opponent and hater of midichlorians that some fans are. I was just stating the fact that many fans of the Lucas universe detest them and act as if they're some sort of borderline libel or state treason that George should be dragged out on the carpet for. "George urinated all over my childhood when he invented that concept! Now the Force isn't cool anymore!" So forth and so on.

Me? I'm not the biggest fan but I accept them. I've heard much stupider concepts within the sci-fi/fantasy universes and franchises that I've followed during my life. I'd go about the biochemistry and origins of the Force differently than George decided to with Episode I but I can't muster more than some jokey comments about the things. Some fans have been genuinely upset and even Nerdraged by the very concept and that's just far too much energy devoted to something that they can't change and quite frankly isn't as bad as they like to make it out to be.
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Old March 9 2014, 10:15 PM   #42
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^Apologies, I misread your reply.

Personally I think the midichlorians just aren't a terribly good way of accounting for how force users...urrr...use the force. Bit of an odd example, but it reminds me of people who claim that the "aliens seeded life on Earth" theory is a valid way to account for the origins of life. It doesn't, it just passes the proverbial buck.

"How do Jedi and Sith access the force?"
"With midiclorians!"
"...OK, so how do midiclorians access the force?"
"...umm....hey look! A rabbit frog is doing slap stick!"
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Yeah, to be fair it's not the best explanation for how the Force works and is accessed by users. I won't lie - when the Force was portrayed as a vast supernatural, mystical energy field that permeated the entire universe and wasn't explored in any great and minute detail it was a much more fascinating and eerie concept, but the introduction of the midichlorian into the Lucas canon wasn't much more than a minor irritant because I'd hoped they'd have tackled it somewhat differently.

Microscopic bugs in the bloodstream are fine by me so long as the power, majesty and at least some of the great mysteries of the Force are preserved within that universe.
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Old March 9 2014, 11:27 PM   #44
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I don't think they detract from any of the mystery since as I demonstrated, they don't really explain anything about the force anyway. To me they're a non-explanation.

I would have been totally OK with them if they were used purely as a mechanism for detecting and (for lack of a better term) grading force potentiality in individuals.

Like say for the sake of argument, if midichlorians were simply microorganisms that were attracted to force users, maybe even feed off the force itself in small amounts, like remora fish. So the more force sensitive a person is, the higher ratio of midichlorians in their blood stream and so they serve as a convenient measuring tool. That I think would have served the purpose of the scene and still allowed for the element of mystery.

What this new episode seems to imply is that the cosmic force itself somehow created all life in the galaxy on that planet and specifically set up midichlorians as the intermediaries between the tangible and the intangible. I sort of get it, but it still feels a bit off.

Either way, it's more than what we got in TPM and actually ties in better with the concept of Anakin's "immaculate conception." The "will of the force" is something often mentioned but never really addressed, but it does indicate that there's a form of consciousness--perhaps this cosmic gestalt wellspring that makes it so hard to maintain one's identity after death--behind certain events. It sounds just like that kind of amoral force of nature to create a being that will be both Jedi & Sith and is destined to destroy them both to restore balance AND (if you'll pardon the expression) plant the seeds of rebirth in the form of his offspring.

...But I digress.
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Re: Star Wars The Clone Wars Season Six

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It sounds just like that kind of amoral force of nature to create a being that will be both Jedi & Sith and is destined to destroy them both to restore balance AND (if you'll pardon the expression) plant the seeds of rebirth in the form of his offspring.
The Jedi aren't the ones unbalancing the Force; the Sith are. Destroying Jedi is just something Sith want to do, not something that promotes balance. Quite the opposite. Besides, Anakin only killed some younglings and some masters in the temple. The bulk of the killing was done by some guys who looked like Jango Fett.

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The cosmic force seems to be synonymous with the unifying force, a term used in the previously published materials.
The term "Cosmic Force" has also been used in published materials:

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Had he been, for the length of a heartbeat, connected to the greater, unifying gestalt that the wisest of the Masters called the Cosmic Force?
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