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Old March 7 2014, 01:55 PM   #331
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Elaine. They're real and spectacular.

Okay, now we derailed.
So were George's.
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Old March 7 2014, 07:13 PM   #332
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You know that it was Kes who really killed Tuvix.
Yes, I suppose the die was cast after her chin wag with Mom. She had been coming around to appreciate his virtues, but his putting her in the position of essentially being the last hope/arbiter of thumbs up/down was too much, at this time anway, for her to emotionally come to terms with. Perhaps Season 3 Kes might have been at such a remove that she could have suggested that he simply be cloned and consequently removed to the lower decks never to be seen again!! But then that would have sliced off such a significant part of the Voyager Sturm und Drang that we all have come to treasure over the years.
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Old March 7 2014, 09:33 PM   #333
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You know that it was Kes who really killed Tuvix.
Kes didn't kill Tuvix!

No one killed anyone. Janeway restored Tuvok and Neelix back to normal, that was it.
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Old March 7 2014, 09:57 PM   #334
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have suggested that he simply be cloned
Cloning is such a good solution to so many problems and yet they never do it. Ethical thingies about creating folk as a hotfix. This is like some root psychological difference in Star Trek and Star Wars.
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Old March 7 2014, 11:22 PM   #335
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have suggested that he simply be cloned
Cloning is such a good solution to so many problems and yet they never do it. Ethical thingies about creating folk as a hotfix. This is like some root psychological difference in Star Trek and Star Wars.
But in Tuvix's case, couldn't they have cloned him (duplicating his pattern in the transporter) then restored Tuvok and Neelix?
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Old March 7 2014, 11:46 PM   #336
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So the one you clone you make sure is unconscious when cloning is complete so you don't end up with another Tuvix screaming to be saved?
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Old March 8 2014, 12:24 AM   #337
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Love does that sometimes, it kills what you love the most even while trying to save what you love the most.

I remember when George Costanza finally got back together with Susan who he was so deeply regretting losing and the day they got back together he was walking upstairs to her apartment as if a thousand ton boulder of Susan was on his shoulders.

All in all I think George probably loved Marisa Tomei Pillow the most. No commitment or embarrassment (at least that he couldn't explain away).
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Old March 8 2014, 12:32 AM   #338
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A pillow and a block of cheese and he was a happy man.
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Old March 8 2014, 09:43 AM   #339
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Hmmm, what to do with this thread...

I liked Kes and Jen Lien. I also liked Seven. They should have kept them both and got rid of Harry like they planned. Damn People article.
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Old March 8 2014, 10:20 AM   #340
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I wonder if they seriously thought about how the dynamic might work with 7 and Kes. I am going to say I think they would have thought having Harry there would be useful for the sexing up of the show, just as someone to put in the same room as 7 and, tension etc.. because they weren't brave enough or interested enough to do that with a female character and 7.
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Old March 8 2014, 10:49 AM   #341
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There must have been some plan for Kes in season 4. I do not know if it has ever been stated that there was though. If I remember correctly she was not slated to go until the last minute. Did Harry substitute for Kes in the beginning of the season? Interesting...
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Old March 8 2014, 01:45 PM   #342
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You could be dealing with a Tukes thread.
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I wonder if they seriously thought about how the dynamic might work with 7 and Kes. I am going to say I think they would have thought having Harry there would be useful for the sexing up of the show, just as someone to put in the same room as 7 and, tension etc.. because they weren't brave enough or interested enough to do that with a female character and 7.
That definitely would have made Voyager more daring and much more interesting, so long as she doesn't melt someone's face again.
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Old March 8 2014, 10:55 PM   #344
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It's interesting to me that story decisions are made all the time on how to include boy/girl tension, flirting, banter scenes but it's up to the fandom to find that in subtext for same gender interactions. Maybe if that had been on the table someone would have said.. here we have two characters who are on one level children but on another far above the rest of the humans on the ship via experiences absorbed (7) and ability to learn (Kes). Let's put them together and see if this results in an attraction.
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Old March 9 2014, 01:17 AM   #345
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There is no subtext in Star Trek.

Just different sized hammers.
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