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Old March 7 2014, 11:13 PM   #31
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I suppose it would have been equally valid to describe him as "Half Human Science Officer Spock".

What was the intention? To emphasize his "Vulcan-ess"? To emphasize his mixed heritage?
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Old March 7 2014, 11:32 PM   #32
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Hmm, maybe they were going off the script, "We need a 'General Order 7' document for this scene". Since the scene includes the line from Mendez about a Half-Vulcan Science Officer that made it into the document through a "brain leak" or whatever the exact term is.
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Old March 8 2014, 01:17 AM   #33
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I like the 23rd Century racism.

Captain Christopher Pike
Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock
While we're talking about it, what about the sexism?
Where was Number One's name on that document?

Isn't a woman's name good enough ?

She was actually captured by the Talosians and outranked Spock so her opinion should be more relevant.
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Old March 8 2014, 02:06 AM   #34
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First off, I think the spoken dialog in which Mendez refers to "a half-Vulcan science officer named Spock" was merely a rhetorical way of saying, this is the exact same guy as your first officer.

. . . Then I think the prop document was written with two references to that unique-to-Star-Trek phrase as an in-joke, in that it exactly quotes the dialog. It wasn't meant to be readable on TV.
This. Mendez was simply driving the point home that "this man, who is now your second-in-command, is the same guy who served under Captain Pike and visited Talos IV thirteen years ago."

No one watching the episode on 1960s TV sets would have been able to read the the text on that page. I agree, the double reference to "half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock" was probably meant as an in-joke.
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Old March 8 2014, 02:34 AM   #35
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Star Trek didn't take that shortcut despite coming from an era when nobody would know.
My guess is that the art department may have created particular documents to such high detail on the off chance that the director wanted to include them in a close-up shot where perhaps some snippet of it could be read.

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It's a little pity they didn't continue this kind of earnestness in TNG, now that the remastering in HD reveals all these little inside jokes, both the silly and the better ones.
Back in the '60s the idea of home video was unheard of. By the time TNG rolled around, home video was commonplace. One would expect the later producers to be even more conscientious about freeze-frame details. But then again, maybe some of the next generation prop creators were hoping this stuff would be seen and noticed one day.
I'm pretty sure they intended it to be fun "easter egg" sorts of things for those fans who would bother to go to the trouble.
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Old March 8 2014, 02:39 AM   #36
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First off, I think the spoken dialog in which Mendez refers to "a half-Vulcan science officer named Spock" was merely a rhetorical way of saying, this is the exact same guy as your first officer.

. . . Then I think the prop document was written with two references to that unique-to-Star-Trek phrase as an in-joke, in that it exactly quotes the dialog. It wasn't meant to be readable on TV.
This. Mendez was simply driving the point home that "this man, who is now your second-in-command, is the same guy who served under Captain Pike and visited Talos IV thirteen years ago."

No one watching the episode on 1960s TV sets would have been able to read the the text on that page. I agree, the double reference to "half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock" was probably meant as an in-joke.

Thanks, Scotpens.

Here's a little-noticed document that always looked like abstract gibberish on TV, but wasn't. Scotty's technical journal:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...bleshd0449.jpg

I can't seem to find it now, but I once saw online that it's actually a Matt Jeffries drawing of a ship's phaser, colorized for this use. If I recall was like a ball-turret.

Edit: I found it. It's this, which was also used in "Space Seed" when Khan was looking at technical manuals:

http://www.trekplace.com/images/article10-pic002.jpg
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Old March 8 2014, 02:45 AM   #37
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Scotty's technical journal
Ah, those futuristic 8" CRTs... The viewfinders on camcorders are bigger than that now.
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Old March 8 2014, 03:33 AM   #38
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I'm pretty sure they intended it to be fun "easter egg" sorts of things for those fans who would bother to go to the trouble.
Did they do this sort of thing in the 60s?
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Old March 8 2014, 04:07 AM   #39
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I'm pretty sure they intended it to be fun "easter egg" sorts of things for those fans who would bother to go to the trouble.
Did they do this sort of thing in the 60s?
Pretty sure they didn't. No one making this stuff could have expected a fan base that would go over each episode with a fine tooth comb or the technology that allowed them to do it. They were just craftsmen do a job and doing it as well as they could. The Comsol document sounds like the art department following the scripts need for a prop not really going much beyond that. Basically using dialog in the script to create the prop document.
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Old March 8 2014, 04:36 AM   #40
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ZapBrannigan wrote: View Post
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First off, I think the spoken dialog in which Mendez refers to "a half-Vulcan science officer named Spock" was merely a rhetorical way of saying, this is the exact same guy as your first officer.

. . . Then I think the prop document was written with two references to that unique-to-Star-Trek phrase as an in-joke, in that it exactly quotes the dialog. It wasn't meant to be readable on TV.
This. Mendez was simply driving the point home that "this man, who is now your second-in-command, is the same guy who served under Captain Pike and visited Talos IV thirteen years ago."

No one watching the episode on 1960s TV sets would have been able to read the the text on that page. I agree, the double reference to "half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock" was probably meant as an in-joke.

Thanks, Scotpens.

Here's a little-noticed document that always looked like abstract gibberish on TV, but wasn't. Scotty's technical journal:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...bleshd0449.jpg

I can't seem to find it now, but I once saw online that it's actually a Matt Jeffries drawing of a ship's phaser, colorized for this use. If I recall was like a ball-turret.

Edit: I found it. It's this, which was also used in "Space Seed" when Khan was looking at technical manuals:

http://www.trekplace.com/images/article10-pic002.jpg
It's a plane boiler thing.
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Old March 8 2014, 05:42 AM   #41
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Yes, that diagram was actually created in color for "Space Seed" using existing plane fuel pump reservoir blueprints. (The black and white image comes from an old fanzine reproduction of the image.)



All the detains can be found in in article by Dr. Dave Tilotta ("alchemist") at Star Trek History:

http://www.startrekhistory.com/article4.html

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First off, I think the spoken dialog in which Mendez refers to "a half-Vulcan science officer named Spock" was merely a rhetorical way of saying, this is the exact same guy as your first officer.

. . . Then I think the prop document was written with two references to that unique-to-Star-Trek phrase as an in-joke, in that it exactly quotes the dialog. It wasn't meant to be readable on TV.
This. Mendez was simply driving the point home that "this man, who is now your second-in-command, is the same guy who served under Captain Pike and visited Talos IV thirteen years ago."

No one watching the episode on 1960s TV sets would have been able to read the the text on that page. I agree, the double reference to "half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock" was probably meant as an in-joke.

Thanks, Scotpens.

Here's a little-noticed document that always looked like abstract gibberish on TV, but wasn't. Scotty's technical journal:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x...bleshd0449.jpg

I can't seem to find it now, but I once saw online that it's actually a Matt Jeffries drawing of a ship's phaser, colorized for this use. If I recall was like a ball-turret.

Edit: I found it. It's this, which was also used in "Space Seed" when Khan was looking at technical manuals:

http://www.trekplace.com/images/article10-pic002.jpg
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Old March 8 2014, 10:20 AM   #42
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Thanks, King Daniel and Greg. I was unaware of that terrific article, and that's some deep research they did.
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Old March 9 2014, 12:48 AM   #43
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Perhaps there might be some reason to identify the biological origin of the 'signer' to show that the Talosian illusions didn't only affect humans. Any other "in-universe" ideas why this might be done?
I suppose it could be a compliment to the logical nature of Vulcans as well as their reputation for honesty. His being half-Vulcan lending to the integrity of the report.

Though I have to admit it was the first thing I noticed reading it and it does read as a bit "off" to have that there.
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Old March 9 2014, 01:14 AM   #44
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ZapBrannigan wrote: View Post
I think it's a little odd that Mudd's rap sheet would include a reference to "Future Police"
There are a fair number of cities and towns scatter about the Americas named "Futura." Spanish for future (one of it's meanings).

Perhaps Future is the name of Harry Mudd's home planet.

The planet Future, where it's so bright you have to wear shades.

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The line reads, "Future Police Record -- Code X731248."
As opposed to Earth Police Record -- Code X731248

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Old March 9 2014, 01:23 AM   #45
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I think it's a little odd that Mudd's rap sheet would include a reference to "Future Police"
There are a fair number of cities and towns scatter about the Americas named "Futura." Spanish for future (one of it's meanings).

Perhaps Future is the name of Harry Mudd's home planet.

The planet Future, where it's so bright you have to wear shades.

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The line reads, "Future Police Record -- Code X731248."
As opposed to Earth Police Record -- Code X731248

Harry Mudd is in the "Minority Report".
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