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Old March 3 2014, 11:42 PM   #31
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

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He thought that he'd killed Kirk in "Amok Time". That was his intention, anyway -- he didn't know about McCoy's secret intervention.
Does that count? Spock wasn't in his right mind at the time -- he was under the influence of the plak tow (blood fever).
Granted, he did petition T'Pau to let Kirk out of the ceremony. He didn't *want* to kill Kirk, but was obligated to due to the circumstances.
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Old March 4 2014, 01:52 AM   #32
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Spock argued that Edith Keeler must die, and he called out to Kirk, in order to prevent Kirk from saving her.
If that first car had missed her and she made it to the sidewalk, would he have shoved her out in front of the next one?

How about that henchman he hurled down the corridor in The Mark Of Gideon? I could suppose he broke a few high vertebrae on impact there.

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Old March 4 2014, 09:04 AM   #33
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

There's the alternate reality where Spock walks up to President Kennedy, and kills him with a phaser.




(don't blame me, it was Gene's idea)

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Old March 4 2014, 12:51 PM   #34
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

Really throughout TOS did Spock not kill anyone directly?
That's amazing.

I'm not counting he implored Kirk to kill Mitchell or McCoy to kill the Salt Vampire.
I thought he might have killed in Friday's child though.

I thought nuSpock killed some Romulans in ST09 but maybe not.
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Old March 4 2014, 03:54 PM   #35
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There's the alternate reality where Spock walks up to President Kennedy, and kills him with a phaser.




(don't blame me, it was Gene's idea)

Any sci-fi story where JFK's fate is altered is piss-poor, lazy writing.

Back to the thread.
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Old March 4 2014, 04:23 PM   #36
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Really throughout TOS did Spock not kill anyone directly?
That's amazing.
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I thought he might have killed in Friday's child though.
As I already mentioned, yes, he did shoot at least one Capellan with an arrow in "Friday's Child." Of course, arrow wounds are frequently survivable in real life, but by TV rules, faceless mooks who get hit by arrows fired by the good guys are presumed dead.
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Old March 4 2014, 05:11 PM   #37
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

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Really throughout TOS did Spock not kill anyone directly?
That's amazing.
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I thought he might have killed in Friday's child though.
As I already mentioned, yes, he did shoot at least one Capellan with an arrow in "Friday's Child." Of course, arrow wounds are frequently survivable in real life, but by TV rules, faceless mooks who get hit by arrows fired by the good guys are presumed dead.
Well I agree with you then.

How about any of the other main characters aside from Kirk (and McCoy)? Certainly Uhura didn't.

Now I don't think there was as much killing as I thought I remember. (if that makes any sense)
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Old March 4 2014, 05:33 PM   #38
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

He went into Enforcer-Spock mode and wanted to leave a trail of bodies often enough.
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Old March 4 2014, 06:43 PM   #39
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Most of the others seem debatable, but can we categorically agree that he killed himself in TWOK?

Or is that also debatable since it didn't stick? (Or maybe it's debatable because "sacrificing your life" isn't the same as "killing yourself".)
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Old March 4 2014, 07:14 PM   #40
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In Galileo Seven, Spock threw a spear, presumable with a giant in his "sights." With his Vulcan strength he could have killed his intended target.




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Old March 4 2014, 07:44 PM   #41
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

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Really throughout TOS did Spock not kill anyone directly?
That's amazing.
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I thought he might have killed in Friday's child though.
As I already mentioned, yes, he did shoot at least one Capellan with an arrow in "Friday's Child." Of course, arrow wounds are frequently survivable in real life, but by TV rules, faceless mooks who get hit by arrows fired by the good guys are presumed dead.
Well I agree with you then.

How about any of the other main characters aside from Kirk (and McCoy)? Certainly Uhura didn't.

Now I don't think there was as much killing as I thought I remember. (if that makes any sense)
I know, right? When I really stopped to think about, I realized the big 3 (and really all the others, Scotty, etc) hadn't killed many folks at all. At least not outside a ship-shooting scenario, and not a huge number there:

For Kirk in TOS (just TOS), I came up with this:

Gary Mitchell
Kloog
Hengist
Cloud creature (Obsession)
Bunch of Capellans in a rock slide. Did Kirk shoot an arrow as well?
Everyone killed on the Romulan ship in Balance of Terror
before the Commander blew it up.
Everyone killed on the Orion ship in Journey to Babel before they blew themselves up (which always struck me as an odd thing for people who are presumably profit motivated to do, but whatever).
Android Dr. Brown (counting him because the Exo 3 droids were obviously self-aware, even if Brown was a less sophisticated android than Ruk)

I was thinking of Apollo, but really he ended himself.


I was really reluctant to count ships shooting, but I guess they have to count.

In another thread someone corrected me on McCoy--I thought he'd killed only the Salt Vampire/fake Nancy, but I guess you can count a Mugato and one of the Denevan parasites.

Then I started thinking about Spock and, until this thread, mostly came up with bupkiss.
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Old March 4 2014, 08:07 PM   #42
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In Galileo Seven, Spock threw a spear, presumable with a giant in his "sights." With his Vulcan strength he could have killed his intended target.
As I already pointed out above, I disagree with that presumption. It is incorrect that the only purpose for directing fire toward the enemy is to kill them. The other, quite common purpose is covering fire -- forcing them to keep their heads down while your side retreats or makes a move. Given that Spock was quite emphatic elsewhere in the episode that they should fire only to frighten rather than kill, it stands to reason that his intent in throwing the spear was merely to cover their retreat.
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Old March 7 2014, 06:35 PM   #43
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

What about "The Tholian Web"?

Spock is in command and orders a phaser strike on the first Tholian vessel. It is damaged to the point where it doesn't move again until help arrives. Surely at least some of the Tholians inside were killed or at least severely injured.
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Old March 7 2014, 10:32 PM   #44
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What about "The Tholian Web"?

Spock is in command and orders a phaser strike on the first Tholian vessel. It is damaged to the point where it doesn't move again until help arrives. Surely at least some of the Tholians inside were killed or at least severely injured.
Agreed.
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Old March 7 2014, 11:43 PM   #45
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Those Tholian ships were tiny. I'm not sure they had more than one or two on board, more like patrol fighters than starships.
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