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Old March 4 2014, 01:05 PM   #16
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Re: Should the war have ended earlier?

As for me, I'm completely satisfied with DS9-show. All story lines are really well balanced, they have good development and good closure.
In my opinion, WYLB has prepared for DS9 a bold journey to the big screen. Instead of Nemesis with tired old NextGen crew they could make a couple of DS9 movies with Bajor&Federation, Sisko&Prophets, Odo&Great Link.

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Old March 4 2014, 02:47 PM   #17
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Re: Should the war have ended earlier?

The Dominion War arc is my favorite thing that Trek has ever done, in any of it's iterations. I actually think it was just about perfect, length-wise. True, I would have liked to see a little more follow-up afterwards, especially in regard to the broader ramifications for the larger Trek universe, but it's understandable that they ended it on a high action note. I consider it a failing of the Next Generation movies that they barely mentioned the war.
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Old March 4 2014, 03:25 PM   #18
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Re: Should the war have ended earlier?

I have thought this for a long time, ever since I re-watched DS9 in 2010 and someone asked what I would do for an eighth season. Here is my response from the DS9 Movie thread:

…an 8th season would've been great. We made peace with the Klingons, but never showed it. We made peace with the Germans, the Russians, etc. Could you imagine a season of making peace with the Dominion? When all the fans are riled up and don't trust the Vorta, the Jem'Hadar, or the Changelings? That fear that grips you and the faith that is needed to cross that bridge and trust your former enemy. That's Star Trek. It would've tied the series up nicely to do so.

Some of the things I would do is have the Bajorans explore the Gamma Quadrant after joining the Federation. Establish the first colony on the other side of the wormhole since "New Bajor." Have vigorous debate in episodes about warnings from those wounded by the war that this is a bad idea. And I would have everyone comfortably trusting the Dominion...and then have it tested. The Jem'Hadar do something terrible to the Federation and risks plunging the two Quadrants back into war. But, in reality, the Jem'Hadar have become separate from the Dominion and now put the Federation in a predicament: who do you support? The oppressed Jem'Hadar, or the new peace with the Dominion?

Everyone says it ended nicely. I think the story was just getting started. And there's something very Roddenberry-esque about making peace with the Dominion while it tests the rhetoric at the beginning of the show about the Bajorans and the Cardassians having to learn to work together. Would we live up to our ideals? Would we be angels after going through hell?
I don't have much to say other than that.
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Old March 4 2014, 11:49 PM   #19
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Re: Should the war have ended earlier?

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It's fine to like different formats of stroytelling.
Totally agree - I didn't, nor would I, suggest otherwise. Just stating my personal preference.

But whilst some wars last only a short time others last years. So 2 years or so isn't unreasanbale for a war to last. But as the saying goes you can't please everyone all of the time. So to some it would be too short for others too long for some just right. TV audiances are hard to please.
Agree again. I realise it's a minority viewpoint, but I found the extended war arc dreary and quite exhausting to sit through at many points. Also, while "real" wars do indeed often extend into periods exceeding many years, I felt it was a mistake to do so on DS9. It all became just a little dull and sluggish.
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Old March 5 2014, 12:23 AM   #20
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Re: Should the war have ended earlier?

^^ Lokai, just curious, what would you have done with DS9 without all the Dominion back story?

Personally, I can't imagine DS9 without the build up to and the war seasons. Earlier DS9 was basically a poorer version of TNG without the exploration. At the end of Season Two, just before the finale of "The Jem'Hadar", the show looked rudderless. How long could they go running around the Gamma Quadrant in runabouts before it was cancelled?

I think seven seasons was fine, but with the addition of a handful of two hour episodes. The tide of the war seemed to turn quite quickly after the destruction of the original Defiant. A couple more hours could have fleshed out those moments.
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Old March 5 2014, 01:38 PM   #21
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^^ Lokai, just curious, what would you have done with DS9 without all the Dominion back story?

Personally, I can't imagine DS9 without the build up to and the war seasons. Earlier DS9 was basically a poorer version of TNG without the exploration. At the end of Season Two, just before the finale of "The Jem'Hadar", the show looked rudderless. How long could they go running around the Gamma Quadrant in runabouts before it was cancelled?
I'm happy to reply, but I fear you'll baulk with incredulity at my answer!

In Season One, far from being a poor man's TNG, I felt DS9 was actually a funky/quirky take on the established Trek storytelling style. For me, it was an interesting way to enjoy a "weekly Trek fix" with fresh characters set on a "cool" alien space station.

That season was the perfect balance of old and new for me. I just finished watching "The Passenger" for example, a prime example of the kind of thing I really liked.

Personally, I would have left the show as is, it was perfect the way they had it. Obviously, characterisation and complexity would have developed as the writers and actors became more familiar with the material - a "slicker" product would have emerged.

Again, just my opinion, but "Pah-wraiths" and prophecies et al, veer sharply away from what Star Trek is for me - I hated all that. "The Reckoning" is a prime example. Add in the often boring and drawn out "war arc", and I guess that's why I struggled with a lot of the later episodes.
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Old March 5 2014, 05:50 PM   #22
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I agree the Pah'Wraiths stuff didn't work very well and I wish they'd taken the Emissary story in different directions, but I don't think it would have been as powerful a show without the characters being pushed into extreme situations where their morality is tested.

I do like seasons 1 and 2, but look at the tropes they used. They had two 'Infection that makes people behave weirdly is spreading gradually among the cast' episodes in one season. They had two or three 'Weird anomaly that skews reality' episodes in a short period of time. DS9 worked the best in episodes that were about the characters and the immediate setting like Duet than when it used TNG style writing.
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Old March 5 2014, 09:15 PM   #23
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Re: Should the war have ended earlier?

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The Dominion War arc is my favorite thing that Trek has ever done, in any of it's iterations. I actually think it was just about perfect, length-wise. True, I would have liked to see a little more follow-up afterwards, especially in regard to the broader ramifications for the larger Trek universe, but it's understandable that they ended it on a high action note. I consider it a failing of the Next Generation movies that they barely mentioned the war.
It strikes me now that it would've been interesting to see a Trek take on The Best Years Of Our Lives.
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Old May 27 2014, 06:09 PM   #24
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Do you think DS9 would have been better if they ended the war earlier in the series?
- I had heard somewhere that they were supposed to wrap up the war arc much earlier in the series but then they brought Worf in and introduced the Klingon storyline.

In all honesty, the show started off after two wars. Wolf 359 and the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor. We saw the Siskos and the Bajorians recovering from those wars, so I don't think we needed to to see the aftermath of the Dominion war.
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