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Old March 4 2014, 04:11 AM   #76
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Re: Khan's Into Darkness Appearance change finally explained

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And then I could write a five issue comic tie-in to explain how this Irishman suddenly became Denzel Washington!
Yeah, but nobody would read it.
I'm sure I would hook 2% of your audience. That's apparently enough for a tie-in comic to succeed.
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Old March 4 2014, 08:35 PM   #77
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Maybe if Denzel became the president of Ireland, that might turn more heads. That's essentially what Cumberbatch is, if the back story of Khan was the same. He's like Shinzon... it doesn't make too much sense.
But Khan's backstory is that he was created by scientists in a test tube, so it's a poor comparison. His colouration could be by design or a fluke, and not at all indicative of what country he was manufactured in.
It's not a poor comparison at all. It really doesn't matter what his skin color is or how he came to be, but to say a pasty white man rose to power in India, a black man rose to power in Ireland, or a human rose to power on Remus, stretches credibility.
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Old March 4 2014, 11:57 PM   #78
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say a pasty white man rose to power in India
Definitively not a white man.
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Old March 5 2014, 12:23 AM   #79
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That's a decent example. While not the ruler of a nation that I was thinking of, there's apparently been some controversy surrounding her nationality.

And of course there could be all sorts of exceptions like that for a white Khan. He could have usurped power, and his race/nationality would be less consequential. But all of this really just makes so many assumptions that it still strains credibility a bit.
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Old March 5 2014, 01:56 AM   #80
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Or maybe you just roll with it.
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Old March 5 2014, 03:05 AM   #81
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Or maybe you just roll with it.
Some people think it's an issue, and some don't. There is no compromise to be had there. It's just going to be an issue for some, right up there with "Han fired first." It's a matter of opinion clear and simple.
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Old March 5 2014, 03:28 AM   #82
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Or maybe you just roll with it.
Some people think it's an issue, and some don't. There is no compromise to be had there. It's just going to be an issue for some, right up there with "Han fired first." It's a matter of opinion clear and simple.
I think really it's quite easy to come up with a fanwank that can explain why "Khan" is white.

It's a lot harder to make it totally-not-weird-at-all that the casting of one's specifically South Asian villain is whitewashed, because in our day and age whitewashed casting is weird and noticeable -- fine actor though Bandicoot Crumblybunch is -- and that they also did it back in the Sixties is not a defense.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:09 AM   #83
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It's just going to be an issue for some, right up there with "Han fired first."
"Montalban whitened first"?
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Old March 5 2014, 04:21 AM   #84
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According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
So Admiral Marcus went through all the trouble of finding and reviving a centuries-old guy so he could design advanced weapon with his teh awesome! brain, and, instead of keeping him locked up somewhere very dark, seen only by those whose entire lives and personal codes are defined by secrecy, the first thing he does is... deliberately mess around with and selectively damage said brain?

I think that, even given the script-serving vagaries of Trek tech, that's a pretty stupid plot point.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:27 AM   #85
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This thread makes me wish for yet another reboot where they actually cast an Indian actor as Khan.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:48 AM   #86
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This thread makes me wish for yet another reboot where they actually cast an Indian actor as Khan.
Yeah, and maybe they could also cast an actual Japanese guy for Sulu instead of a Korean, and an actual Scotsman for Scotty instead of an Englishman, and an actual Southern guy for McCoy instead of a New Zealander, and an actual Russian for Chekov instead of an American, and an actual Iowan for Kirk's father instead of an Australian, because the actors they chose were so god-awfully horrible and unbelievable in their portrayals of the characters they were meant to represent.
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Old March 5 2014, 05:30 AM   #87
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and an actual Russian for Chekov instead of an American
Yelchin is Russian-American. Fail.
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Old March 5 2014, 05:32 AM   #88
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But all of this really just makes so many assumptions that it still strains credibility a bit.
So let me get this straight Khan being a genetically engineered tyrant who ruled a quarter of the planet and was part of a destructive war fought against him and other genetically engineered tyrants in the 1990s and then when he lost he fled in one of the interstellar spaceships that would have existed again in the 1990s is totally believeable.

But Khan being a white guy is the thing that stretches credibility.
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Old March 5 2014, 06:10 AM   #89
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Who said the 90s time frame was believable?
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Old March 5 2014, 06:19 AM   #90
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My husband Mr Commishsleer (well-known Star Trek hater) after saying 'get off that message board and wash the dishes' when I mention this thread says 'Wasn't Montalban Spanish?' (He was Mexican)

To which I reply he was supposed to be a Sikh. He then says to me Sikh's have beards, turban and never cut their hair and are Indian. Then he says well Montalban doesn't look Indian even after showing him the picture of him in 'Space Seed'.

He then laughs at me and says "What Sikh actor were they ever going to get to play Khan then?" And then he says you guys are such fantatics etc.
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