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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old March 2 2014, 03:06 AM   #16
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Or Picard never left the Nexus, and he's just imagining everything that's happened afterwards - since having more space adventure was his dream.
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Old March 2 2014, 11:46 AM   #17
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Wait, didn't Soran win? Picard and Kirk may have stopped an alternate Soran but he made it into the Nexus.
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Old March 3 2014, 12:54 PM   #18
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Or Picard never left the Nexus, and he's just imagining everything that's happened afterwards - since having more space adventure was his dream.
This has always been my thought, action hero Picard from the rest of the movies makes sense.
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Old March 3 2014, 09:21 PM   #19
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Or Picard never left the Nexus, and he's just imagining everything that's happened afterwards - since having more space adventure was his dream.
This has always been my thought, action hero Picard from the rest of the movies makes sense.
Nice one First Contact is Picard living out his history hobby by 'meeting' Cochrane, and dealing with his Borg guilt issues, Insurrection is just a convoluted build-up to having a love-in, and Nemesis is simply a bit of introspection, loosely following on from TNG Tapestry.

So Data never died then, and he eventually retired from Starfleet and lectured at Cambridge.

I must admit that I don't particularly like Generations, because I consider the Nexus too much of an 'unbelievable' plot device (it's too perfect and totally unnecessary). They could have done the same thing with the Guardian of Forever, or even Q instead to bring the two captains together.
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Old March 3 2014, 09:47 PM   #20
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So Data never died then, and he eventually retired from Starfleet and lectured at Cambridge.
Well, no. Data died with the rest of the Enterprise-D crew when Veridian III was destroyed.

Here's the thing about the Nexus: Guinan specifically states that once you're in it, you'll NEVER want to leave. It's so full of awesomeness and joy that you get completely wrapped up in the fantasy, and even if you're still under the impression that it's all fake, it's so overpowering that if somehow you're forcibly taken out of it, you'll do almost anything to get back. And you'll certainly NEVER care again about what's going on back in the real world.

So what do we see instead? Both Picard and Kirk starting their respective fantasies, but in a matter of a few minutes determine that it's all bullshit and decide to leave because what's going on in the real world is more important than this fantasy world. WTF?
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Old March 4 2014, 04:44 AM   #21
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So Data never died then, and he eventually retired from Starfleet and lectured at Cambridge.
Well, no. Data died with the rest of the Enterprise-D crew when Veridian III was destroyed.

Here's the thing about the Nexus: Guinan specifically states that once you're in it, you'll NEVER want to leave. It's so full of awesomeness and joy that you get completely wrapped up in the fantasy, and even if you're still under the impression that it's all fake, it's so overpowering that if somehow you're forcibly taken out of it, you'll do almost anything to get back. And you'll certainly NEVER care again about what's going on back in the real world.

So what do we see instead? Both Picard and Kirk starting their respective fantasies, but in a matter of a few minutes determine that it's all bullshit and decide to leave because what's going on in the real world is more important than this fantasy world. WTF?
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Old March 6 2014, 07:43 AM   #22
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Or Picard never left the Nexus, and he's just imagining everything that's happened afterwards - since having more space adventure was his dream.
This has always been my thought, action hero Picard from the rest of the movies makes sense.
Nice one First Contact is Picard living out his history hobby by 'meeting' Cochrane, and dealing with his Borg guilt issues, Insurrection is just a convoluted build-up to having a love-in, and Nemesis is simply a bit of introspection, loosely following on from TNG Tapestry.

So Data never died then, and he eventually retired from Starfleet and lectured at Cambridge.

I must admit that I don't particularly like Generations, because I consider the Nexus too much of an 'unbelievable' plot device (it's too perfect and totally unnecessary). They could have done the same thing with the Guardian of Forever, or even Q instead to bring the two captains together.
Gold!!!

I personally would have forgiven a ton of that shitty movie if they simply handn't killed Kirk. That was the unforgivable sin to me about that movie.
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Old March 6 2014, 12:30 PM   #23
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GalaxyX is right, they could have let him live. Him, Spock, and Scotty could have gotten together.

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Old March 6 2014, 04:39 PM   #24
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GalaxyX is right, they could have let him live. Him, Spock, and Scotty could have gotten together.
And possibly even McCoy (if he were still alive after "Encounter at Farpoint").
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Old March 7 2014, 03:47 AM   #25
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GalaxyX is right, they could have let him live. Him, Spock, and Scotty could have gotten together.
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GalaxyX is right, they could have let him live. Him, Spock, and Scotty could have gotten together.
And possibly even McCoy (if he were still alive after "Encounter at Farpoint").
Do you guys have any idea how much that would rock? I can picture Scotty breaking down in tears to see his friend after what to him was probably been a decade since the last time he saw him.

Spock, the more mellow and wise character he is by this time (as seen in ST09) would probably give Kirk a big hug, while the TNG crew watches, and realizes these great men are unofficially passing the torch to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie had made twice as much profit just by writing it like that.
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Old March 7 2014, 01:57 PM   #26
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GalaxyX wrote: View Post
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GalaxyX is right, they could have let him live. Him, Spock, and Scotty could have gotten together.
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GalaxyX is right, they could have let him live. Him, Spock, and Scotty could have gotten together.
And possibly even McCoy (if he were still alive after "Encounter at Farpoint").
Do you guys have any idea how much that would rock? I can picture Scotty breaking down in tears to see his friend after what to him was probably been a decade since the last time he saw him.

Spock, the more mellow and wise character he is by this time (as seen in ST09) would probably give Kirk a big hug, while the TNG crew watches, and realizes these great men are unofficially passing the torch to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the movie had made twice as much profit just by writing it like that.
A nice little after the credits scene in Generations of Kirk, Spock, Scotty, and Bones (CG'd I guess) would have been neat.

Kirk: Scotty, how are you still so youthful?
Scotty: The Enterprise-D saved me too.
Kirk: Hold on, the Enterprise-D didn't save me, I saved it.
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Old March 7 2014, 03:22 PM   #27
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^ Awesome!
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