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Old March 2 2014, 02:45 AM   #16
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Re: Dune: The TV series

I remember a few years back someone suggested this very idea, a Dune TV series which each season devoted to a particular book. I dismissed the idea out of hand saying there's no way a network would agree to a minimum six season deal for such a show. Of course, now we have Game of Thrones doing such a thing, so I guess it is a practical idea after all.

On the one hand, the Dune novels are so complex that even the six hour miniseries which many consider the definitive adaptations of the novels have had to "trim the fat" so to speak. A season of ten episodes might actually be enough to properly service the novels. Although it would be quite the challenge, budget wise, though probably not more so than Game of Thrones. Although I don't watch Game of Thrones or read those books, I see them basically having the same challenges of creating a completely new world. The difference is instead of some sort of the pseudo-medieval GoT has going on, Dune also has a futuristic flair to its trappings, but that shouldn't be too much more difficult to pull off.

Sure, a Dune TV show could have potential, is probably the best way to try an adaptation. I really doubt another movie is going to happen and SyFy would probably only bother these days if it included giant shark hybrids (Sharktopus vs Dune Worm?). While there is certainly precedent for TV shows based on novel series now, I'll be surprised if it happens. Let's face it, you want Dune at its best, the novels are it.
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Old March 2 2014, 03:08 AM   #17
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I think there is potential for a great TV series based on Dune. It would have to have a really good showrunner who has a good understanding of the books, and a big budget, but if it got those things there is potential for greatness there.
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Old March 2 2014, 04:03 AM   #18
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Re: Dune: The TV series

...count me in for the first three books...and with the appropriate budget...and with me on the writing staff...

...serious question: anyone ever hear tell of a 9 hour De Laurentiis version running around out there, somewhere?...
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Old March 2 2014, 04:25 AM   #19
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...serious question: anyone ever hear tell of a 9 hour De Laurentiis version running around out there, somewhere?...
No. The rough cut without completed effects was initially about four hour long. Lynch intended to cut that down to three hours, but was forced to cut it down much further. There's a 190-minute version that was cut together for television without Lynch's participation or approval. That's the longest version of the film available. There's also a three-hour fan edit.
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Old March 2 2014, 05:48 AM   #20
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David Lean directed a movie version of the book that will never be bettered back in 1962.
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Old March 2 2014, 06:45 AM   #21
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David Lean directed a movie version of the book that will never be bettered back in 1962.
not sure if you are being funy or what considering Dune wasn't published until the mid 60's (1966 iirc)
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Old March 2 2014, 06:54 AM   #22
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David Lean directed a movie version of the book that will never be bettered back in 1962.
not sure if you are being funy or what considering Dune wasn't published until the mid 60's (1966 iirc)
It's a reference, no doubt tongue in cheek, to Dune being in part a sci-fi version of Lawrence of Arabia.
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Old March 2 2014, 02:22 PM   #23
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The Dune series of books have enough ideas and subplots to carry a TV series for a number of seasons. If done right, I'd love to see it happen.
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Old March 2 2014, 09:08 PM   #24
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I loved the mini-series CHILDREN of DUNE. I thought it was absolutely wonderful! DUNE: 2000 has its issues, however, as does the David Lynch version of DUNE. I think I prefer the 80's version, because it's so surreal and very imaginative, overall. Otherwise, I hope DUNE does get more exposure through it's own television series. That would be outstanding!
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Old March 2 2014, 09:46 PM   #25
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I think the first novel is a little too dense to be done justice in a single 10-15 episode season of television (which appears to be standard, these days.) Possibly the thing to do would be to split it up into it's three constituent "books"; 'Dune', 'Muad'Dib', and 'The Prophet'. That give you three seasons, each with an established beginning and end point, with plenty of material in the glossaries to elaborate where needed. More than anything it'd mean Fenring could at last get a significant role as for such an interesting character, he was sadly neglected in both the mini-series and movie.

If the show is still going by the time Paul takes the throne then you can probably squeeze 'Messiah' into a fourth season and 'Children' into a fifth and sixth. I doubt they'd go further than that, but I as I said before, *if* they were to attempt it, the smart move would be to mostly skip over 'God Emperor' and get right into the Honored Matres for two more seasons. No clue how to end that though. Honestly I'd rather they leave it with the same ambiguity with which 'Chapterhouse' concluded.
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Old March 2 2014, 09:54 PM   #26
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I never read the books but I watched the movie & both miniseries. I generally preferred the movie. The miniseries was able to give more nuance to the political maneuverings. But the movie just kinda gave a scale to the story and the importances of the things happening in it. The miniseries just kinda felt like it meandered around a lot before it ended. And William Hurt was totally phoning it in.

From what I know of the series, I kinda have a hard time seeing how a lot of audiences would follow a TV version given the massive time jumps between books.

IMO, a better candidate for TV series adaptation would be Jim Butcher's Codex Alera series. The whole series takes place over the course of about 7 years or so and carries over a lot more characters over the 6 book series. In some ways, it's basically a PG-13 version of Game of Thrones but with more Roman trappings than medieval trappings.
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Old March 2 2014, 10:13 PM   #27
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There are strong similarities between Dune and Game of Thrones, to the point that I would think George R.R. Martin drew heavily from it, along with the historical influences he's mentioned. I wonder if those similarities would hurt or help if HBO considered an adaptation.
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Old March 2 2014, 10:38 PM   #28
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^I doubt 'Fire and Ice' drew much, if anything directly from 'Dune'. Any similarities are more likely the result of both authors drawing from a common historical source. The politics of Dune makes no bones about taking it's inspiration from Medieval European court intrigues and the Senate plots of Ancient Rome.

The only other similarity I can see is the archetypal hero's journey, which is of course not something Martin would have needed to borrow from Herbert.

Indeed, exactly who the "hero" on their journey is in 'Fire and Ice' is a bit hard to figure out since all the one's you'd expect have mostly been killed off. Personally my money is on Aria, Tyrion *and* Daenerys. I mean who says there can only be one "hero's journey" per story?
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Old March 2 2014, 10:41 PM   #29
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I disagree. There are enough similarities beyond historical sources and the Hero's Journey that I think Martin took quite a few elements from Dune and reworked them into epic fantasy.
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Old March 2 2014, 11:26 PM   #30
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Part of why Game of Thrones is so popular is the really good writing of Martin so with Herbert we got that covered too.

The other part is the pitch perfect casting.. people like Dinklage playing Tyrion, Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister or Lena Headey as Cersei. If they could find actors with the same skill and presence then i believe Dune could also be a hit.

However Dune is an older story that isn't well known outside of SF fandom as opposed to Game of Thrones which i have seen being read by many non-Fantasy or genre fans so i don't believe there is a lobby out there that could push HBO to invest the same kind of money into an old story.

And mind you.. the first season of GoT also was not that heavily financed. Only after the show took off like a rocket did it get more money.

But i'd love to get a comparable Dune series, at best with the visuals of the movie (love the style and totally fit the universe) with some A list TV/Movie talent to play the characters.

Who would be your choice to play the various key characters such as Paul, Jessica, Baron Harkonnen, Gurney or Stilgar?
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