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Old February 16 2014, 12:48 AM   #61
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Re: Is Avery Brooks a good actor?

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I have seen DS9 in it's entirety but wanted to get a feel of what other Niners think.

Good actors abound on this show with Shimmerman, Robinson, Alaimo, Aberjunois (I know I misspelled it), etc. Kai Winn too.

It's my favorite show but not my favorite captain.

It always seemed to me like he delivered his lines in a very heavy handed, hammed up, over the top way. You get used to it after awhile but it can be jarring if you haven't seen it in awhile.

Do you find Brooks hit it out of the park with his acting chops or left something to be desired?

Just wanted to see if I'm in the minority on this one or there are others who felt the same way.
The talk around Ben Sisko--that he was weak and that his Spencer for Hire character was a better one, I think got to Mr. Brooks. Just a guess, but he didn't start out as a ham. He didn't end as a ham. It was seasons 3-5 when he really had no nuance to his performance. He was applauded for it (at least in my house) at the time, but he really ruined the character's best moments.
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Old February 17 2014, 01:13 AM   #62
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Re: Is Avery Brooks a good actor?

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He was a good actor for the character.
I agree with your statement.
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Old February 22 2014, 06:36 PM   #63
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This panel interview with Brooks is really good! It really addresses some of the concerns people might have about Brooks.

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Old February 22 2014, 06:49 PM   #64
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I also think he made the character. All of the captains of the various series were so different but we were fortunate that they were all great choices.
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Old February 22 2014, 07:46 PM   #65
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Plomeek Broth wrote: View Post
I have seen DS9 in it's entirety but wanted to get a feel of what other Niners think.

Good actors abound on this show with Shimmerman, Robinson, Alaimo, Aberjunois (I know I misspelled it), etc. Kai Winn too.

It's my favorite show but not my favorite captain.

It always seemed to me like he delivered his lines in a very heavy handed, hammed up, over the top way. You get used to it after awhile but it can be jarring if you haven't seen it in awhile.

Do you find Brooks hit it out of the park with his acting chops or left something to be desired?

Just wanted to see if I'm in the minority on this one or there are others who felt the same way.
I think the difference between your thread title and your questions is interesting

Definitely, Avery Brooks was a good actor. Whether his best acting was in DS9, that is a question to be asked. Have you seen American History X? Also, consider his stage career. This is his career description on his wiki article:

Brooks received critical acclaim in Phillip Hayes Dean's play Paul Robeson. Brooks portrayed the life of the famous singer, actor, and civil rights activist in a one-man, critically acclaimed biographical drama. He has performed the role since 1982 at the Westwood Playhouse in Los Angeles, the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C., and the Longacre Theater on Broadway. He also portrayed Robeson in Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been?, both on and Off-Broadway.

Brooks' early theater credits include The Offering, A PHOTOGRAPH: A Study of Cruelty, and Are You Now or Have You Ever Been in the 1970s. He started to gain recognition after his appearance in Spell #7 at the Public/Anspache Theater in New York City in 1979. He subsequently starred in Othello at the Folger Shakespeare Festival (1985) and Fences at the Repertory Theater of St. Louis, Missouri (1990). He reprised the role of Othello at the Washington Shakespeare Theater in 1990-1991.
Brooks appeared in the title role of The Oedipus Plays, a production that traveled to the 2003 Athens Festival in Greece. He also appeared in the title role of King Lear at Yale's Repertory Theatre. In 2005, Brooks again starred as Othello, this time at the Shakespeare Theatre Company in a production directed by the renowned Michael Kahn. Brooks was one of 15 actors of the Shakespeare Theatre Company in Washington to be honored with the William Shakespeare Award for Classical Theatre in 2007. He returned to the Shakespeare Theatre Company in Fall 2007 to play the title role in Christopher Marlowe's Tamburlaine.

In 2008, Brooks returned to Oberlin College to play the lead in a mixed-race production of Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman. Once again, Avery played the title role of Paul Robeson at the Shakespeare Theater from March 24–27 in 2011.
None of these are easy roles, but his career success on the stage infers that in the eyes of his peers and critics that Brooks certainly is a good actor, whether judged by the roles he has been asked to play or his acclamations such as Shakespeare Award.

As for your actual questions about Brooks in the show. I loved his work, for many reasons. When in Treklit set after the series Sisko is described for his presence or his depressions or his charisma (as in Prophecy and Change, or Warpath, for example), these aren't inventions of the authors writing up something Brooks as a performer never conveyed. Rather they are genuine reflections, for me, of the skill and gravitas and versimilitude Brooks brought to the role. I do think I am a very biased responder to Brooks - I grew up watching DS9, and forgive many of its failings when perhaps I should be more critical. However, I think with regards to Brooks I am not overlooking anything - at least, I hope not. But I don't know.
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Old February 22 2014, 08:51 PM   #66
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Brooks is amazing in American History X. He's also great in 15 Minutes, where his character has a great scene confronting Kelsey Grammer's Fox News-type character.
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Old February 26 2014, 11:32 PM   #67
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My girlfriend always said he was a good stage actor but not well suited for television, which I agree with. There are certain times, especially during a sporadic laugh, when I see nothing. he is also a crazy close talker, crazy.
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Old February 28 2014, 03:33 AM   #68
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He was a good actor for the character.
I agree as well.
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Old February 28 2014, 06:42 AM   #69
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Oh-verrrr EEEE-nun-SEE-ates eh-verrrr-reeeee sing-guhl sill-uhhhh-buulllll.

HUGELY fucking annoying.

No.

Not good for the part or the show.
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Old February 28 2014, 07:41 AM   #70
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Re: Is Avery Brooks a good actor?

You might have noticed Picard/Stewart does the same thing. It's kind of a prereq to professional acting. Maybe if he had mumbled through it all?

Shatner.
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Old February 28 2014, 08:57 AM   #71
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I just found out today Brooks played Solomon Northup (12 Years A Slave) first, back in a 1980s film for PBS directed by Gordon Parks. Ashamed haven't seen it yet but will do asap.

and...

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Yes.

Next ?
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Yes. To echo what was being said upthread, Brooks is a highly eccentric person, and although the emotional scenes are often overwrought, for the most part he plays the character as extremely level headed, considered and commanding of respect, and he does a great job of it.
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Is Avery Brooks a good actor?
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I love Avery's acting. What a bland world we would live in if every actor had the same style.
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Old March 1 2014, 09:54 AM   #72
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And his relationship with Jake was fantastic, and everything that Wesley and Beverly (who appeared to be complete strangers) should have been. "The Visitor" still chokes me up.
Sisko's best scenes are with Jake. I think Cirroc Lofton brings them both up a notch. Separate they both have issues with their characters (Jake mostly to being useless, and Sisko is just angry and unstable)

In defence of Beverly and Wesley, I think it was implied that since the death of Jack, both Beverly and Wesley have become distant with each other, due to the trauma both of them being a reminder of their loved one (Father and Husband respectively). Perhaps due to the fact that Wesley, being a guy, did not know how to relate to his mother as well as he did to his father.

Jake and Sisko are both men, so easier to relate on that level. I wonder how it would have been if Jake had been female, or Sisko had been female.
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Old March 2 2014, 12:56 AM   #73
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Re: Is Avery Brooks a good actor?

I like Sisko a lot, possibly being my favourite captain. Avery Brooks is certainly a divisive actor though. I'm just on a series rewatch, and I forget how much it took Sisko, Bashir and Dax to settle into the rhythm of the show. Sisko and Dax in particular had issues with the acting as well as the writing.

Gradually, the producers wrote more to suit Brook's persona. By season three, Sisko came into his own. And of course, by the time he's bald and bearded, he's also totally badass.

He's not the best actor the franchise ever hired, yet he has had so many emotional moments that I remember. I agree that his best scenes were often with Jake.
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Old March 3 2014, 06:24 AM   #74
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And his relationship with Jake was fantastic, and everything that Wesley and Beverly (who appeared to be complete strangers) should have been. "The Visitor" still chokes me up.
In defence of Beverly and Wesley, I think it was implied that since the death of Jack, both Beverly and Wesley have become distant with each other, due to the trauma both of them being a reminder of their loved one (Father and Husband respectively). Perhaps due to the fact that Wesley, being a guy, did not know how to relate to his mother as well as he did to his father.
Crap...now it's going to look like I'm picking on Galaxy....

I WISH that sort of thing had been implied. It would have improved their characters immensely.

God...being a Marty Stu in a 'perfect society'...Wheaton had no chance.
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Old March 3 2014, 06:28 AM   #75
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You might have noticed Picard/Stewart does the same thing. It's kind of a prereq to professional acting. Maybe if he had mumbled through it all?

Shatner.
Heh. I've always thought Clu Gulager was ahead of his time because he did a lot of eccentric roles where he spoke under his breath a lot, acted 'out' instead of to the actor. Would have some business going on. I found him refreshing and realistic....but last night I was watching him on the MST3K version of San Francisco International, and he would say a few lines and the Bots would go "Mrrrrbullllessssm mummmblessss mrrrummmblesss"
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