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Old February 28 2014, 04:07 AM   #16
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Re: Did Spock ever kill anything?

Spock argued that Edith Keeler must die, and he called out to Kirk, in order to prevent Kirk from saving her.
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Old February 28 2014, 03:03 PM   #17
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The Capellans nailed in that rock slide caused by that sonic doohickey he and Kirk rigged up. Those were boulders. We're never shown any of them dead, but it sure looked like some of them had to be killed.
And later in the episode, Spock does clearly shoot one Capellan with a bow and arrow.

Spock assists Kirk in rigging the grenade launcher in "Arena," though we don't know how much damage it did.

In "Wolf in the Fold," Spock beams the Redjac-possessed Hengist into space on wide dispersal. Hengist was already technically dead at that point, only animated by Redjac, but it was assumed that dispersing Redjac would eventually kill it (although a couple of different comics sequels have argued otherwise).

In "Return to Tomorrow," Spock was sharing consciousness with Chapel when she injected Spock-Henoch with what Henoch believed was poison, resulting in Henoch's flight from Spock's body and thus his death. It's unclear whether Spock was fully in control of her actions at the time, though, and one can split hairs about whether tricking someone into killing himself is equivalent to killing them oneself (although I'd say it is, from an ethical standpoint).

Similarly, Spock is the one whose actions drive the Zetarians from Mira Romaine's body and kill them in "The Lights of Zetar."

And of course it was Spock who rigged the torpedo that destroyed the Klingon ship in TUC. (Infuriatingly, he did so with McCoy's help, despite McCoy's insistence in "The Empath" that he would not take life under any circumstances, and despite the fact that it made no damn sense for a medical doctor to modify a weapon.)

There were times when Spock advised others to use deadly force -- suggesting it as a way to deal with Mitchell in the second pilot, telling Yeoman Tamura to use lethal force if necessary in "A Taste of Armageddon," urging Kirk to kill the Horta when it threatened him in "The Devil in the Dark."

(Although I've never believed that Spock was actually trying to convince Kirk to Gary Mitchell. Rather, he was trying to convince Kirk to strand Mitchell by pointing out that killing him was the only other option.)
That's a great list, thanks--I rejected Redjack myself, though, because I wasn't counting assists to Kirk, who gave the order. I gave that one to Kirk (the Capellans are more like a joint effort). Also wasn't counting advice and indirect results, just deaths for which Spock was the immediate cause. Also I felt that we needed some idea of results, so didn't count Arena when I was trying to put things together myself. But that leaves TUC and the bow and arrow shot, big misses for me, thanks, and also Henoch, and I agree about Henoch; Spock killed him.
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Old February 28 2014, 03:15 PM   #18
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He killed that bowl of Plomeek Soup.
That was the second-deadest soup I've ever seen.
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Old February 28 2014, 03:44 PM   #19
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That's a great list, thanks--I rejected Redjack myself, though, because I wasn't counting assists to Kirk, who gave the order.
Well, that's no different from any soldier in combat, though, is it? Killing under a commanding officer's orders is still killing. And it's clear enough that Spock accepted the necessity of occasionally using deadly force as a consequence of serving in Starfleet, although he did see it as a last resort.
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Old February 28 2014, 04:40 PM   #20
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(Although I've never believed that Spock was actually trying to convince Kirk to Gary Mitchell. Rather, he was trying to convince Kirk to strand Mitchell by pointing out that killing him was the only other option.)


SPOCK: Recommendation one. There's a planet a few light days away from here. Delta Vega. It has a lithium cracking station. We may be able to adapt some of its power packs to our engines.
KIRK: And if we can't? We'll be trapped in orbit there. We haven't enough power to blast back out.
SPOCK: It is the only possible way to get Mitchell off this ship.
KIRK: If you mean strand Mitchell there, I won't do it. That station is fully automated. There's not a soul on the whole planet. Even the ore ships call only once every twenty years.
SPOCK: Then you have one other choice. Kill Mitchell while you still can.
KIRK: Get out of here.
SPOCK: It is your only other choice, assuming you make it while you still have time.
KIRK: Will you try for one moment to feel? At least act like you've got a heart. We're talking about Gary.
SPOCK: The captain of the Valiant probably felt the same way, and he waited too long to make his decision. I think we've both guessed that.
KIRK: Set course for Delta Vega.
And then he went and got a phaser rifle from the armory. A PHASER RIFLE. That's a bit more than just pointing out that killing him was the only other option.


[Delta Vega Control room]
SCOTT [OC]: Oh, did Mister Spock get the phaser rifle we sent down?
KIRK: I didn't order any (Spock enters with rifle) Affirmative. Landing party out.
SPOCK: He tried to get through the force field again. His eyes changed back faster. He didn't become as weak.
KIRK: Doctor Dehner feels he isn't that dangerous. What makes you right and a trained psychiatrist wrong?
SPOCK: Because she feels. I don't. All I know is logic. In my opinion we'll be lucky if we can repair this ship and get away in time.
KELSO: Direct to the power bins. From here you could blow up this whole valley.
KIRK: If Mitchell gets out, at your discretion, Lee, if sitting here, you think you're the last chance, I want you to hit that button.
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Old February 28 2014, 04:57 PM   #21
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^I think your quote makes my case for me. Spock's first recommendation is to strand Mitchell on Delta Vega. When Kirk rejects it, Spock says that killing him is the only other choice. And his argument convinces Kirk to overcome his resistance to the recommendation to strand Mitchell.

And bringing a weapon as a precaution does not even remotely prove an intention or preference to use it. Cops carry guns on every call, but most cops go through their entire careers without ever actually having to use their guns outside the firing range.
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Old February 28 2014, 06:01 PM   #22
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In Galileo 7, he throws a spear or two in the direction of those big brutes. Whether he hit anyone or not is immaterial, he intended to harm or kill them.
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Old February 28 2014, 06:43 PM   #23
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We don't know for sure, but Spock may have killed an Eminian guard or two during the mission to rescue Kirk at the council chambers in A Taste of Armageddon.

Weird that Ambassador Fox wasn't more concerned about what became of his aide at the end of that episode.
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Old February 28 2014, 06:45 PM   #24
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Aides are like the redshirts of the Diplomatic Corps. Grow 'em in vats, pick 'em up for 2 cents a pop at Costco.
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Old February 28 2014, 07:11 PM   #25
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In Galileo 7, he throws a spear or two in the direction of those big brutes. Whether he hit anyone or not is immaterial, he intended to harm or kill them.
I don't agree. Earlier, he specifically ordered "We'll fire to frighten... not to kill."

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/14.htm

Throwing the spear was presumably more along the lines of covering fire, with the goal of getting them to duck rather than actually hitting them. I mean, seriously, those spears were huge, built for giants. Even with Vulcan strength, he wouldn't have been able to put a lot of force into the throw, and I don't think he was trying very hard to aim.
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Old February 28 2014, 07:14 PM   #26
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Um, he killed God. Everything else seems rather trivial by comparison.
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Old February 28 2014, 09:19 PM   #27
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He thought that he'd killed Kirk in "Amok Time". That was his intention, anyway -- he didn't know about McCoy's secret intervention.
Does that count? Spock wasn't in his right mind at the time -- he was under the influence of the plak tow (blood fever).
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Old February 28 2014, 09:36 PM   #28
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He thought that he'd killed Kirk in "Amok Time". That was his intention, anyway -- he didn't know about McCoy's secret intervention.
Does that count? Spock wasn't in his right mind at the time -- he was under the influence of the plak tow (blood fever).
Why wouldn't it? Spock thought it did.
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Old March 1 2014, 01:10 AM   #29
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He didn't pull the trigger himself, but he effectively got Dr. McCoy to fire a phaser and kill the Salt Vampire in "The man Trap"

IMO - with the very emotional delivery of ..."It's killing the Captain!"
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Old March 3 2014, 07:22 PM   #30
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Weird that Ambassador Fox wasn't more concerned about what became of his aide at the end of that episode.
Yeah, he just looked down at him and said "screw this, I'm outta here".
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