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Old February 27 2014, 01:38 AM   #1
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Khan's Into Darkness Appearance change finally explained

According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
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Old February 27 2014, 01:44 AM   #2
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How do they explain that Kirk has blue eyes now???? CANON VIOLATION!!!!
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Old February 27 2014, 02:04 AM   #3
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According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
It does kind of almost sort of in a way partially make sense if you suspend a resoectable amount of disbelief. Section 31 wanted his genius but not the associated baggage. Though why they didn't just compromise and use one of the 72 others is unclear.
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Old February 27 2014, 02:36 AM   #4
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Good thing comics aren't canon.

It's a reboot. Period. No further explanation is necessary.
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Old February 27 2014, 03:05 AM   #5
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According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
That sounds ridiculous. He was recast, nothing more, nothing less. Look at Saavik, Cochrane, Scotty, Ziyal...

Plus, Khan Prime's skin colour changes between "Space Seed" and WoK anyway. He goes from awful faux-Indian brownface to Montelban's natural white skin tone.
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Old February 27 2014, 03:07 AM   #6
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It's a reboot. Period.
No it isn't. Period. If it was a reboot the characters in the film wouldn't openly talk about how things turned out in the original timeline, nor would one of the participants of those events get called up on the video phone. Those things do not happen in reboots; by definition they cannot.

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Plus, Khan Prime's skin colour changes between "Space Seed" and WoK anyway.
So Abramsverse Khan would've eventually lightened up on his own?
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Old February 27 2014, 03:09 AM   #7
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According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
For those of us who aren't reading the comics, can you explain what "memory wiping" accomplishes. He seemed to remember quite a bit about "their work before they were banished."
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Old February 27 2014, 03:10 AM   #8
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Plus, Khan Prime's skin colour changes between "Space Seed" and WoK anyway. He goes from awful faux-Indian brownface to Montelban's natural white skin tone.
Well I mean, I always chaulked that up to not getting much sunlight for 15 years.
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Old February 27 2014, 03:16 AM   #9
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According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
For those of us who aren't reading the comics, can you explain what "memory wiping" accomplishes. He seemed to remember quite a bit about "their work before they were banished."
His memories come back at some point. But at first they make him really think he's "John Harrison" as opposed to Khan.
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Old February 27 2014, 04:29 AM   #10
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His appearance is different because Ricardo Montalban is dead.
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Old February 27 2014, 04:51 AM   #11
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It does kind of almost sort of in a way partially make sense if you suspend a resoectable amount of disbelief. Section 31 wanted his genius but not the associated baggage. Though why they didn't just compromise and use one of the 72 others is unclear.
… because the super-secret branch of Star Fleet was worried its project to subvert the legitimate government of the Federation, build an armada of hyper-advanced weaponry, and launch a preemptive invasion of conquest against neighboring powers might suffer from some bad press if they have on staff a secret agent who looks like a half-forgotten warlord who died centuries ago …
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Old February 27 2014, 05:11 AM   #12
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How do they explain that Kirk has blue eyes now???? CANON VIOLATION!!!!
Prime Kirk was born on Earth. In the new universe Kirk was born prematurely in a shuttle. The shuttle's shields were inadequate to fully protect Kirk, his mother, and the crew from the radiation of the nearby star, which turned his eyes blue. It all makes sense, you just don't want to see it!
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Old February 27 2014, 05:18 AM   #13
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Old February 27 2014, 05:34 AM   #14
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According to the just-released Khan #5 comic, it's due to facial reconstruction, memory wiping, and vocal cord manipulation. Thoughts?
Much like the execrable Enterprise two-parter that 'explained' the Klingon appearance change, this is really a question that no one needs the answer to.

Ricardo Montalban wasn't available. Benedict Cumberbatch nailed his audition.

What else is there to know?
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Old February 27 2014, 05:38 AM   #15
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It's a reboot. Period.
No it isn't. Period. If it was a reboot the characters in the film wouldn't openly talk about how things turned out in the original timeline, nor would one of the participants of those events get called up on the video phone. Those things do not happen in reboots; by definition they cannot.
This.

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How do they explain that Kirk has blue eyes now???? CANON VIOLATION!!!!
Prime Kirk was born on Earth. In the new universe Kirk was born prematurely in a shuttle. The shuttle's shields were inadequate to fully protect Kirk, his mother, and the crew from the radiation of the nearby star, which turned his eyes blue. It all makes sense, you just don't want to see it!
Yep, this is Orci's official explanation that he confirmed via Twitter.
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